MUSETTE and DRUM MACHINES?

[E-Lo]

I've been listening very closely to some CT songs lately and can't help being fascinated by the drum machine work. It's really quite intricate.

I understand Robin did most of the programming, but anyone know more about this under-appreciated aspect of their musical talent ? Also, is it just me or did they use real cymbals for that trademark 6/8 cymbal ride?

:cool:
Ernie

[halation]

The first thing I heard from the Cocteaus was Treasure, and beyond Liz's voice, Robin and Simon's guitars was the drums. They definately added a(nother) unique touch to their music.

As for the cymbals...I think they may have used real ones. Maybe Simon might read this and care to answer. Personally I was was wondering the specific drum machine that was used for used for Treasure. I've sampled them off certain records, but would like to get cleaner samples for my music.

[E-Lo]

Yes, that Treasure-era drum machine is classic. You might be able to get some cleaner samples from what sounds to be the same machine from Wolfgang Press' 1985 album "The Legendary Wolfgang Press" You gotta dig that Liz cameo on "Respect"!

I'm also very curious about the Blue Bell Knoll drums. That album's entire sound is so diaphanous and glassy, and the drum machine programming blends so delicately elegant.

[someotherian]

Originally posted by halation
I was was wondering the specific drum machine that was used for used for Treasure.
i have a feeling it was a Linn, but i'm sure someone will put me straight on that :)

[Fuzzguitar]

I vaguely remember reading (in a CT article many, many years ago) that they sampled John Bonham's drums for Treasure...

[E-Lo]

Halation, I came across a Web site you might be interested in.

Drum machine samples (http://www.714cartel.com/loops/drum1.html)

There are many clean drum samples, including the Linn machine Someotherian mentioned might be the source of the Treasure sound.

Enjoy!

[watchlar]

i think most of the twins' drum machine programming was pretty good...but i think treasure will forever sound hopelessly dated...whereas, later releases and their accompanying drum tracks will stand the test of time

[curetwins]

Originally posted by someotherian

i have a feeling it was a Linn, but i'm sure someone will put me straight on that :)

yeah, it had to be linn or roland's tr-808..

[REPLICESS]

uummm, doesn't sound like a Linn to me - I'd opt for the Roland - prolly wrong though - I'm only a music student ;)

[Phil Lawton]

It was an 808.

[curetwins]

808 it is.

[halation]

Sorry to sound like a know it all, but It wasn't an 808. An 808 kick drum is a big bassy almost sine wave like low freq sound and it's snare is "little" and crisp sounding.

The drums on treasure have a very big, almost industrial sound to them....but I don't know where they come from.

[Phil Lawton]

I'm sure I've read an interview of the Guthrie boy where he mentions the 808 by name.

Simon - you reading this? You were there, so let us know.

[curetwins]

808 with added secrets.

[simon raymonde]

we did use som roland ones on and off but the treasure sound was from Emu-Drumulator's SP12. it had those little pads on with each drum sound assigned to pad. it was quite basic compared to the shit you can get now but it had charm! it was designed by roger linn, who also had a hand in the next one we used..on
BBK , it was made by Akai and it was called an MPC60 ( i still use this now!)...robin did all the drum programming for the band. That was his thing, and....well nothing.
question answered

[mmmender]

Originally posted by someotherian

i have a feeling it was a Linn, but i'm sure someone will put me straight on that :)

no need to put you straight ian, you were right. drum machines just aren't my forte.

[curetwins]

interesting.. we're using the korg em-1 electribe and roland td-6 module right now and i'm all about it!

[E-Lo]

Very interesting! I've always been so curious -- did you guys use a real cymbal for those classic rides?

that bass, those keys,
Ernie

[someotherian]

Originally posted by mmmender


no need to put you straight ian, you were right. drum machines just aren't my forte.
well i was half right (with the designer). i actually thought it was a machine called the LinnDrum which i remember coming out years ago (i used to follow musical instrument developments quite keenly at one time).. for some reason i thought the (then) unique samples were what appeared on Treasure.

[chevelu]

http://www.totaltrash.com/linn9000/linnfam.html

[wry]

Hello,
as I recognized, CT used the following drummachines:

at first the Roland 808 (maybe Boss DR 55 and 110?)
then the emu sp-12
later on the emu Drumulator (on sunburst and snowblind e.g.)
then the Roland TR 707/727 (e.g. tiny dynamine)
later 80's they used some Yamaha stuff (RX 5 or 7, e.g. the high monkey-monk)

In 90's I cannot say, cause at that time drummachines lost their unique sound :(

D.

[someotherian]

wry.. you certainly seem to know your cocteau drum info!

btw, can i suggest you stop by the Newbies section (http://www.herb-bauer.com/~leesa/cocteautwins/vBulletin/full/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&forumid=13) and say 'hi' :)

[REPLICESS]

Probably been answered many-a-time !, but a friend has asked me this:

'any idea which drum machines the Cocteau Twins used at any stage ? Think garlands may have used a tr606,, its buggin me'

[Phil Lawton]

Rep

Dig out my thread from the archives called soemthing like "Drums And Backing Singers". The (convoluted) answer is in the thread.

[ScottL]

Or you may want to check out one where Simon had some info about that in this thread:
Mussette and Drum Machines (http://www.herb-bauer.com/~leesa/cocteautwins/vBulletin/full/showthread.php?s=&postid=14661&highlight=Akai#post14661)

[someotherian]

.. and here (http://www.herb-bauer.com/~leesa/cocteautwins/vBulletin/full/showthread.php?s=&threadid=886&highlight=drum+machines) is the thread phil mentioned, if you want to take a look.

[Maria Jose]

Originally posted by someotherian
.. and here (http://www.herb-bauer.com/~leesa/cocteautwins/vBulletin/full/showthread.php?s=&threadid=886&highlight=drum+machines) is the thread phil mentioned, if you want to take a look.

I've just read it all , very in-te-res-ting . . .
I recall an interview where Robin was asked if they'd ever use drummers live and he said " we're not fucking DCD" !!!

[REPLICESS]

Thanks All ! :)

[DAX]

Actually for some reason I remember seeing a live drummer on the last tour and thinking it was really great. I talked to Simon about it a few years ago - I think if they had stayed together we would have eventually have head a live dummer on the recordings.

I always thought that was one of their very few weaknesses - live drums can convey so much more emotion than the machines, in my opinion.

[someotherian]

.. though i think that property of drum machines is actually more suited to cocteau music. of course drum machines can now be given 'feel', but i prefer them to sound machine-like.
i dunno why it is really, but to me live drums make the cocteaus sounds sort of MOR.. just a bit less interesting.

[mmmender]

[*****b]MERGED THREAD "808 STATE" WITH THREAD "MUSETTE & DRUM MACHINES[/B]*****

http://www.synthmuseum.com/roland/roltr80801.jpg

this single, small machine.....did it really influence the sound that much? so much so that it receives numerous mentions in reviews? does it make cocteau twins music any more distinctive by guthrie's use of it?

"Robin Guthrie, (guitar) shaped their atmospheric sound by the creative use of tape loops, echo delays, distorted guitars and their infamous Roland 808 drum machine." - Dawn Marie, 80s Music Guide, about.com

"From the harsh 808 sounds to Raymonde's deep bass riffage to Guthrie's high-pitched guitar squeal..." - evilsponge

"Layered over that bass is a clunky drum machine, the Roland 808 if you believe the press. This was the standard drum machine for a long time, and it's presence here is very typical. None of the beats are challenging: they are there to provide a sort of metronomic presence in the songs." -evilsponge

" constant, unifying aspects of the Cocteau sound: Liz Fraser's voice (naturally), and the Roland 808 drum machine, whose dinky digital thuds erect a barrier most people can't get past on first listen. Drum machine technology didn't really meet up with the Cocteau Twins until the late 80s, but the group's first concern was their creative dynamic, and Guthrie never felt the need for a drummer's input when he could program the beats himself." -pitchfork

"over-amped bass, and hissing drum machine grooves [care of a Roland 808 - hardly a rock instrument of any kind]." -rollo kim

"The group debuted with Garlands, which offered an embryonic taste of their rapidly-developing, atmospheric sound, crafted around Guthrie's creative use of distorted guitars, tape loops and echo boxes and anchored in Heggie's rhythmic bass as well as an omnipresent Roland 808 drum machine"

original print advertisement for the roland TR808 (http://www.synthmuseum.com/roland/roltr808ad.gif)
TR808 info from synthmuseum.com (http://www.synthmuseum.com/roland/roltr80801.html)

[andylama]

Originally posted by mmmender
...does it make cocteau twins music any more distinctive by guthrie's use of it?

No.

I mean, the 808 is undeniably influential. Huuuugely influential. Thanks to the popularity of techno/trance music, it enjoys a huge resurgence in popularity, but from a purely sonic standpoint, it is grossly overrated. It is thin, tinny and not very versatile or expressive. It is astounding to me that it is revered as almost godlike by synth fetishists. It is a tired little box.

IMO, Garlands' sound was not highly reliant on the timbre of the 808 (unlike techno), and therefore would have been an equally good album with just about any other drum machine or live drummer.

[fredofla]

much to my dismay, even the advent of the drum-machine has not put an end to the "rawk band" mentality and over-reliance on the traditional and formulaic sounds of the standard drum-kit.

it would seem no amount of new technology will ever save us from the slew of ego-maniacal drummers who (unknowingly?) wreck perfectly good songs with way too many unnecessary flourishes on their stupid store-bought drum-kit cymbals.

all i can say is:

thank you Bjork.....for daring to work with pure electronic "beats" instead of just one more gawd-awful, uninspired rock & roll drummer.


FRED of LA

[ResetTwo]

It may have simply been the use of any drum machine that was curious to people. I think it's the drum patterns that make the songs more distinctive. A lot of different fills are used in some songs and they ended up using a lot more than just the standard bass and snare.

[mmmender]

*bump*

thought this thread should be brought to the surface to go along with the recent 808 thread.

[andylama]

Originally posted by fredofla
much to my dismay, even the advent of the drum-machine has not put an end to the "rawk band" mentality and over-reliance on the traditional and formulaic sounds of the standard drum-kit.
...

Fred,

Indeed. I cringe every time I hear someone criticizing synthesizers for "not sounding real". Real what? People can be unbelievably narrow in their thinking/hearing.

Although I'm not a fan of his music, I respect Trent Reznor's attitude toward the subject: (paraphrased): "my idea of playing drums is punching a set of buttons on a plastic box..."

[Lucibelle]

I think the 808 is distinctive of Cocteau Twins sound to an extent, especially in the early days, of course. But CT didn't seem to use the 808 the 'traditional' way. Most people think of early techno when they think of the 808 for a reason. I agree that CT would have been just as good, if not better even, with a live drummer, but by having this kind of control over rhythm was still pretty new at the time. So while the methods that CT used may be similar to some other bands and even early techno, the difference remains what they created using these methods, which was truly groundbreaking. :)

[E-Lo]

sure, the 808 has its place in history, but nothing is quite like real live percussion. although i love programming drum machines, to play with an expert drummer or percussionist is definitely a musical treat

[scott]

shit, i thought this was an 808 state thread.

i wonder if liz was ever offer a 808 state gig. they did wonders with bjork, mccullough, bernard and hassell.

[robin guthrie]

I wrote this in another thread

There was one disappointment at the time which was the drum machines that we used at that time, a Boss Dr Rhythm and a Soundmaster SR88 played through the distortion channel of a HH IC100 combo were deemed unsuitable by the engineers and ivo (the grown-ups) and were replaced with the "more proffessional' (at the time as it had just been invented) Roland TR808... This made the drums sound very clean but weak, lacking the power that we were used to in concert.. I mean the stuff we used sounded way more like (what became) hiphop than electronic.

it should be noted that the 808 was only used on garlands with a few samples of one on blue bell knoll....

[robin guthrie]

Originally posted by Phil Lawton
It was an 808.

was it shite...
it was .... an emu drumulator.....

[robin guthrie]

Originally posted by simon raymonde
we did use som roland ones on and off but the treasure sound was from Emu-Drumulator's SP12. it had those little pads on with each drum sound assigned to pad. it was quite basic compared to the shit you can get now but it had charm! it was designed by roger linn, who also had a hand in the next one we used..on
BBK , it was made by Akai and it was called an MPC60 ( i still use this now!)...robin did all the drum programming for the band. That was his thing, and....well nothing.
question answered

er, too many hard drugs in the 80's has slightly confused my old mucker so to keep the record straight here's the list...
garlands : roland tr808
lullabies : linn lm1
peppermint pig : linndrum
head over heels : emu drumulator
sunburst and snowblind : emu drumulator
treasure : : emu drumulator modded with the rock chips set (samples of john bonham)
aikea guinea : roland tr707
victorialand : just a roland cr78 on one song
echoes in a shallow bay/tiny dynamine : roland tr707 and tr727
blue bell knoll : emu SP12, Yamaha RX5
heaven or las vegas : Akai MPC 60 MK1 (this is the one designed by roger linn) , Emu SP1200
four calendar cafe : Akai MPC60 MK1, Roland CR1000
milk and kisses : Akai MPC60 MK2

Of course there were usually other sounds triggered, but for the most part these are the machines used. For all of the later records, the machines used were sampling drum machines (ie the Akai's and the emu sp series) therfore the machines didn't actually contain the sounds used. The sounds came from 'a variety of sources'...

[Phil Lawton]

Originally posted by robin guthrie
was it shite...

Have you swallowed that dictionary again?

[willy]

Originally posted by robin guthrie
it was .... an emu drumulator.....

Be careful you don't die falling off the roof.

[Fuzzguitar]

Originally posted by robin guthrie

treasure : : emu drumulator modded with the rock chips set (samples of john bonham)


Hooray! I wasn't going mad! I didn't imagine this! I can now cancel the rest of the therapy sessions...

[etc etc]

Hmmmmmm, "the sounds came from 'a variety of sources'"........come on Robin it's o.k. to tell everyone you sampled the legendary 'boom, bop and crash (and ride 'n sizzle)' of Ringo and Mr. Chas Watts......I know that brush work on Oil of Angels is sampled from Watts! Just admit it damnit!

[keefy]

Originally posted by E-Lo
sure, the 808 has its place in history, but nothing is quite like real live percussion. although i love programming drum machines, to play with an expert drummer or percussionist is definitely a musical treat

There are so many different sounds we call "drums". I think live drums vs triggered drum sounds are just two different flavours.

What's real skill on a drum kit? To me real skill is as much what you *don't* play as what you do play.

I have a few songs that are really tortuous in the drum department and although I would like to hear a live drummer play them, I don't think I want to endure anyone telling me I'm mad because the pattern on the hi-hat is five beats long, the pattern on the toms is 6 beats long, the kick is 3.5 beats long, and the pattern on the snare is 9 beats long, but it's all stretched into 7 beats. I can do that stuff *instantly* with triggered drums, but I think I would cause someone a *vast headache* trying to get them to feel that on a drum kit because it's so complex. (Incidentally, the reason for doing that was because it's a very controlled chaotic sound and the music that I was writing -- something like Henry Cow or Frank Zappa -- was punched up by doing that.)

Keef.

[robin guthrie]

Originally posted by by the sea
don't you talk about anything other than technical stuff?
you seem afraid to make a connection with us.
> why?
maybe you dont ask the right persons the right things....

[E-Lo]

So Robin, did you guys use real cymbal rides in addition to drum machines for that classic CT 6/8 fast waltz kinda beat?

[mmmender]

Originally posted by robin guthrie
...... therfore the machines didn't actually contain the sounds used. The sounds came from 'a variety of sources'...

robin, i don't suppose you're up for providing us with a definition of "a variety of sources"?

it's got me thinking.....i wonder if they've ever thrown any fuck-ups, laughing, inside jokes or peculiar mistakenly placed sounds into the songs.

[willy]

Originally posted by mmmender
robin, i don't suppose you're up for providing us with a definition of "a variety of sauces"?

Heinz Tomato Ketchup, HP, Daddies, Newman's Own...

[mmmender]

smart arse.

[Clayton39]

I always thought 808's sounded like shit... history or no

: ducks :

[ScottL]

Yeah, I don't generally share nostalgia for 80's drum machines, if I were using them back then, maybe I would....

[mmmender]

but it's got such a classic 80's sound. i suppose they're perfect if that's what you're trying to attain nowdays.

[Clayton39]

Originally posted by mmmender
but it's got such a classic 80's sound

Thats what I'm afraid of ;)

[mmmender]

Originally posted by Clayton38
Thats what I'm afraid of ;)

what's wrong? you don't go for the tin-can approach to music?

[Clayton39]

Originally posted by mmmender
what's wrong? you don't go for the tin-can approach to music?

Hey, I'm okay with tinny digital... the 808s just have no balls. They have the same oral impact as someone slapping a piece of paper with a pencil.

[ScottL]

well that isn't much oral impact at all!

[fornasetti]

I'm fascinated to learn that CT sampled John Bonham for use on "Treasure". If only we could know what and where it was used !

Btw, as Cocteaufest occurs on 25th September 2004, it co-incides with the 24th anniversary of Bonzo's untimely death. Long live the king of the real drums !

[etc etc]

Originally posted by fornasetti
Long live the king of the real drums !

I guess this means Bill Bruford really is God.

[ScottL]

hehe. indeed, I love them both actually. they were so different yet both so talented

[Clayton39]

Originally posted by ScottL
well that isn't much oral impact at all!

Shit... Aural... damn

[loomer]

Originally posted by Clayton38
I always thought 808's sounded like shit... history or no


My friend, an 808 can only sound like shit with the wrong programmer. As for the 808 having no balls, I'm afraid you are sadly mistaken. The 808 invented balls. Just listen to the work of Bobby Bird, Andrea Parker, Dr. Dre, Dietrich Schoenemann, Mark Bell, Richie Hawtin, Stewart Walker, Dave Lawrence and countless others. The 808 will crush one's head with it's raw and gritty bass crunch. The 808 made bass famous... there is no mistake about that.

Of course, only a good step programmer and knob tweaker can bring about the 808's magic. It's not for everyone. There is nothing like the 808, there are only imitators.


"We're Tigra and Bunny and we like the boom."

[robin guthrie]

I'm back from a well deserved holiday, after all, spending all day at the Swiss bank paying in all my royalties can be very tiring...So I decided to chip into this very obscure thread just for starters, that is before the pizza’s I have to deliver are ready, by saying this.....whatever, whoever the reason for having a go at drum machines, especially in the 80's when the whole idea was pretty young, well as far as programmed beats and sampled sounds were concerned there wasn't much choice, the beloved 808 was a stepping stone to 'better things' as digital was the key word at that point...better an really crunchy horrible 8bit Fairlight sample than a fat analogue 808 kick in 1982/1983 trust me. The sounds which the 808 became famous for were dirty, malprocessed sounds by dj's who inadvertently overloaded their desks and people who used to put the drum machines through fx as I did but as I've mentioned before, perhaps in another thread, when we used this box for 'garlands' it was way more wimpy than it should have been....many reasons for this, the people we worked with were very 'knowledgeable' and I had just turned 19 and didn't have the confidence in myself at all to, as I've stated before, play our drum machines, a DR-55 Dr.Rhythm and 2 Soundmaster Sr88's through guitar amps, fuzz(on/off) and reverb (spring) from the amp. Most of the time it was HH amplification but I also used some white and pink noise generators that I'd built myself to thicken out the sound....(or make it unlistenable depending on if you were a 'knowledgeable person'
So for me, always a shrinking feeling, even after 22 years that ' Garlands wasn't quite what it could have been.....
But it has to be said that during the later period of the CT, when drum machines (god bless 'em) per se, we being phased out by samplers and the programming of such samplers was by MIDI keyboard, I really wasn't interested in the computer alternatives of the day (as far as music was concerned) (fairlights then cost about $33000...The awkward combination of computer and hardware I found quite distracting and tried to stick to more 'musical' composition tools, such as the Akai MPC60 and the EMU SP1200, where I could, sample at will, but of course, not save any for posterity........... still better 12 bit than no bits, eh?
The long and the short of it is that most of CT's drums, I programmed were on the 'not quite' best of equipment of the day and are burned to tape. Having said that however I must point out, if even for my own sanity, the beats and rhythms I put on Cocteau Twins records remain , to me, someting very vital............

[Clayton39]

Originally posted by loomer
My friend, an 808 can only sound like shit with the wrong programmer. As for the 808 having no balls, I'm afraid you are sadly mistaken. The 808 invented balls.

Point being... theyr'e before my time, Ive always had access to ballsier machines... as far as what it innovated, I couldnt say... I probably wasnt even born at the time. In my experience though, the 808 always sounded like a toy.

[Clayton39]

Originally posted by robin guthrie
especially in the 80's when the whole idea was pretty young, well as far as programmed beats and sampled sounds were concerned there wasn't much choice, the beloved 808 was a stepping stone to 'better things' as digital was the key word at that point...better an really crunchy horrible 8bit Fairlight sample than a fat analogue 808 kick in 1982/1983 trust me. The sounds which the 808 became famous for were dirty, malprocessed sounds by dj's who inadvertently overloaded their desks and people who used to put the drum machines through fx as I did but as I've mentioned before, perhaps in another thread, when we used this box for 'garlands' it was way more wimpy than it should have been....

Yes... I can see how it would be useful for this... as I use samples for all my percussion sounds, if any. The stock drum sounds on an 808 just sounded very weak... and I always considered sampling to be a better option. As much as I have listened to the Cocteau Twins... I dont really feel like I have ever heard that "wimpy" 808 sound, except maybe to add some filler in a beat... it was never the focal point.

Though once again, far before my time...

Nice to see you Robin

[Lucibelle]

Originally posted by Clayton38
...slapping a piece of paper with a pencil.
Hey!! Quit giving away our percussion secrets!!! :angry:

[Clayton39]

Originally posted by Lucibelle
Hey!! Quit giving away our percussion secrets!!! :angry: :comfort:

[mmmender]

robin, it's good to hear from you again.

[fornasetti]

Didya see that, Leesa ? The big feller said "...the CT..."

Well, that's enough for everyone.

[ScottL]

Sure, that'll put the matter to rest...(yeah right)

[etc etc]

Robin, good to see you back around here. I'll take a pepperoni pizza while you're at it. Did this new vocation of pizza delivery have anything to do with this vague reference to a fire and gear damage that Adam (he of Poland) mentioned a while back over on the Bella board? Is all well at the home studio?

Regarding the CT programming---well, I was always blown away by the programming from BBK onwards, but of course that's when the better samplers started coming into play----I really love the brushwork samples on Touch Upon Touch and the VI drum sounds--brush samples are killer-------Currently I am really loving Reason's Redrum and some refills by a guy from Romania named Doru Malaia---for those of you using reason, check his stuff out--some good freebees..plus I just ordered his commercial refill pack for only $29 and it looks like a great tool. Here's a link to his site for those interested
http://www.freewebs.com/dorumalaia/

[andylama]

Originally posted by Clayton38
...slapping a piece of paper with a pencil.

Can't dismiss this idea out-of-hand. Properly recorded and processed, it would most likely render quite usable percussion sounds.

I seem to recall a tune by The Orb, where the primary "snare" sound is a basketball bouncing on pavement. Very effective.

[mmmender]

Originally posted by fornasetti
Didya see that, Leesa ? The big feller said "...the CT..."

Well, that's enough for everyone.

i still don't see THE cocteau twins on any releases so pfffffffft!!

[fornasetti]

You were right, Scott.

[postlibyan]

Originally posted by andylama
I seem to recall a tune by The Orb, where the primary "snare" sound is a basketball bouncing on pavement. Very effective.


oh yeah? do you know which one? (big Orb fan over here....)

PJK

[mmmender]

Originally posted by fornasetti
You were right, Scott.

indeed!

[Clayton39]

Originally posted by andylama
Can't dismiss this idea out-of-hand. Properly recorded and processed, it would most likely render quite usable percussion sounds.

I seem to recall a tune by The Orb, where the primary "snare" sound is a basketball bouncing on pavement. Very effective.

I agree Andy, I really do. Currently, I am using breath for my percussion... run through a sequencer, and I am trying to get a willing female participant to hold certain notes vocally so that I can sample them and place them in different sequences... and I'm sure these all have less impact than a pencil on paper even.

My argument is more, that if your'e looking for a drum sound... you'll probably want something with a bit more impact than that. Believe me, I am all for bucking the idea of traditional drum beats.

[E-Lo]

Originally posted by etc etc
Currently I am really loving Reason's Redrum and some refills by a guy from Romania named Doru Malaia---for those of you using reason, check his stuff out--some good freebees..plus I just ordered his commercial refill pack for only $29 and it looks like a great tool. Here's a link to his site for those interested
http://www.freewebs.com/dorumalaia/

I got those same Doru Malaia sounds on Reason too! That guy is too cool for making that stuff available for free :)

[etc etc]

Originally posted by E-Lo
I got those same Doru Malaia sounds on Reason too! That guy is too cool for making that stuff available for free :)
I totally agree----I felt guilty not doing something more AND given the free samples were so fantastic I rushed to order his commercial disc with 8000 drum samples---holy shit! I can't wait to load that mutha into redrum---phew. The guy is a sweetheart too---I got a nice e-mail for ordering and it's obvious this guy is filled with love for music and life---my kind of people!

[ScottL]

Originally posted by etc etc
this guy is filled with love for music and life---my kind of people!

Amen to that.

[andylama]

Originally posted by postlibyan
oh yeah? do you know which one? (big Orb fan over here....)

PJK

Hmm, Toxygene maybe? I don't remember the name, but it is on the Orblivion album.

I love the Orb too, but I favor stuff that came before this album.

[etc etc]

Originally posted by ScottL
Amen to that.
Right on.....what more is there anyway?

[DoktorDrum]

Hi everybody! I'm new to this forum and to start with I have one question : does anybody know which drum machine did they use on "Treasure"? And don't tell me it's 808 :)... or is it really? peace&love from Poland :)

[ScottL]

Emu Drumulator with John Bonham samples

Robin posted about all albums in this thread:
http://www.cocteautwinsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=63364&highlight=drumulator#post63364

[navaratna]

er, too many hard drugs in the 80's has slightly confused my old mucker so to keep the record straight here's the list...
garlands : roland tr808
lullabies : linn lm1
peppermint pig : linndrum
head over heels : emu drumulator
sunburst and snowblind : emu drumulator
treasure : : emu drumulator modded with the rock chips set (samples of john bonham)
aikea guinea : roland tr707
victorialand : just a roland cr78 on one song
echoes in a shallow bay/tiny dynamine : roland tr707 and tr727
blue bell knoll : emu SP12, Yamaha RX5
heaven or las vegas : Akai MPC 60 MK1 (this is the one designed by roger linn) , Emu SP1200
four calendar cafe : Akai MPC60 MK1, Roland CR1000
milk and kisses : Akai MPC60 MK2

Of course there were usually other sounds triggered, but for the most part these are the machines used. For all of the later records, the machines used were sampling drum machines (ie the Akai's and the emu sp series) therfore the machines didn't actually contain the sounds used. The sounds came from 'a variety of sources'...


This blows me away.. I've always been curious about the drums on CT albums. The drums on Milk and Kisses is amazing.. I never would have believed it was programmed unless I had read this! Knowing it was all done by hand.. yikes.

[Dew dropper]

Although I'm not a fan of his music, I respect Trent Reznor's attitude toward the subject: (paraphrased): "my idea of playing drums is punching a set of buttons on a plastic box..."

I wish that was the case for the new album, but every track has live drums, and dave grohl plays em :no: