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Hiya
Can you please ask Mum why her album is taking so long to finish? And when you're on the phone to her again, tell her to get her arse into gear and finish it off!
Love and kisses
simonp
Lullaby
May-28-06, 2:24 PM
Hiya
Can you please ask Mum why her album is taking so long to finish? And when you're on the phone to her again, tell her to get her arse into gear and finish it off!
Love and kisses
simonp
There's already been a thread about this... It's coz a lot of stuff has been happening at once she hasn't had much time. Don't take this the wrong way, but she's a human being like the rest of us and sometimes her life can get pretty busy, even if it means taking a bit longer to make her album. Sure I get that everyone's a little sick of waiting, hell, I am too, but I'm not gonna go up to my mum and tell her to speed it up.
She's got a hard time looking after my 8 yr old sister and soon she's ognna have to deal with me too. She's been spending a lot of time trying to organise dates for when I'm moving and how we're gonna sort the house out, she's also been trying to help me out with getting my place in college.
She's also busy doing this Massive Attack tour until maybe mid-september and one of the reasons she's doing that is coz she needs some money "on-hand" to get my room ready...
But after that I'm sure she's gonna get down to it, it is sounding awesome to me so far. :) I know for sure that she really does want to get it done, trust me it's not to piss anyone off, and it's not that she's lazy, coz everytime I see her she's stressed out about it still not being done, and still having so much on her schedule...
For the record, I don't blame you guys for asking :) I just wanted to tell you a little of what's going on behind the scenes, just so you can see that she's not doing it on purpose. She does want it finished, but she doesn't want to rush it so that it loses all feeling. :)
If it helps at all I can ask her how it's coming along next time I speak to her though...
Thanks sweetheart,
I was only curious - didnt realise a thread had already been started about it. I can understand she's real busy with other things but hey its only cause I think she is wonderful I want to hear some of her solo stuff ASAP. You don't have to tell her to speed it up, just tell her to have it finished and released by the end of the summer ;-)
Simonp
fornasetti
May-28-06, 2:29 PM
Well, if you do all the child-minding, shopping, cleaning, washing, ironing, etc, maybe that could speed things up ?
Lullaby
May-28-06, 2:30 PM
Well, if you do all the child-minding, shopping, cleaning, washing, ironing, etc, maybe that could speed things up ?
You must be kidding me, my sister is a fucking handful! :omg:
fornasetti
May-28-06, 2:33 PM
You must be kidding me, my sister is a fucking handful! :omg:
Of course I'm kidding.
Alternative tack : you could point out that we have heard more of your music lately than we have of hers.
Thackeray
May-28-06, 6:37 PM
Simon, impatience is the root and crown of all evil. Not any good music can come through it. I'm happy Liz' turned down Coachella and happy that she's taking all the time she needs to record her next release. Good things come in time. GreAt things take even that much longer.
kookaburra
May-29-06, 12:46 AM
Don't forget how well-worth-the-wait Kate's new album was.
For the record, I don't blame you guys for asking :) I just wanted to tell you a little of what's going on behind the scenes, just so you can see that she's not doing it on purpose. She does want it finished, but she doesn't want to rush it so that it loses all feeling. :)
If it helps at all I can ask her how it's coming along next time I speak to her though...
you know you didn't have to answer that thread sweet lucy belle !
he was teasing you knowing that you will answer for your mum.
of course some of us know that she has more important stuff to do than release a record,
her private life comes first of course. i understand that.
sad that that some didn't.
cheers lullaby.
you know you didn't have to answer that thread sweet lucy belle !
he was teasing you knowing that you will answer for your mum.
of course some of us know that she has more important stuff to do than release a record,
her private life comes first of course. i understand that.
sad that that some didn't.
cheers lullaby.
What a bumlick. I was only asking in good humour. Lucy knew that!!!!
What a bumlick. I was only asking in good humour. Lucy knew that!!!!
thanks simonp, we all know what a laughing stock this forum is concerning Liz :crazy:
I think you're completely missing the point of my original question. It was posed to Lucy belle with a sense of humour. I didnt expect her to seriously get on the phone to her mum and say that some git on the forums is demanding to know why her album is taking so long. Liz can take another ten years on her solo album for all I care. She has already left me enough "treasures" to fall in love with time and time again.
Lighten up.
I think you're completely missing the point of my original question. It was posed to Lucy belle with a sense of humour. I didnt expect her to seriously get on the phone to her mum and say that some git on the forums is demanding to know why her album is taking so long. Liz can take another ten years on her solo album for all I care. She has already left me enough "treasures" to fall in love with time and time again.
Lighten up.
honestly i just read it again and i can't find the humor.
maybe because i'm french!
and it's curious that lucy belle answered seriously. don't you think ?
well let's lighten up now !
her singing on "teardrop" this weekend on the BBC was still fascinating.
and that's enough for me.:)
watchlar
May-29-06, 6:59 AM
i think she has a great sense of humour and understood simon's question perfectly...let's play nice...let's not confirm the probable concerns or her parents re: her being on the board.
mmmender
May-29-06, 7:10 AM
thanks simonp, we all know what a laughing stock this forum is concerning Liz :crazy:
i highly disagree with you. EVERYONE here respects liz for the talented musician that she is....regardless of how they feel about her personal choices.
i highly disagree with you. EVERYONE here respects liz for the talented musician that she is....regardless of how they feel about her personal choices.
I highly agree with you Leesa. Thanks.
I thought Lucy's reply was enlightening. Sometimes you wonder if Liz is thinking about recording something at all. Now at least we know something is in the pipeline.
I can understand Vog though. Sometimes when English is not your native language it's hard to grasp all the nuances and subtleties that native English speakers take for granted. I know I myself have completely misunderstood posts here on several occasions when their real meaning was obviously clear to almost everyone else!
mmmender
May-29-06, 8:04 AM
i don't think vog misunderstood anything. i'm certain he's making reference to previous posts where people (myself included) have, for some reason or another, directly insulted liz. make no mistake we have to be clear that there is a difference between judging someone on their personal life and judging someone on their talent. as i previously stated, not one person here will deny her extreme talent and beauty....how people choose to comment on her personal life is entirely another matter.
I still think 10 years to make an hour of music is pushing it a little!
mmmender
May-29-06, 8:20 AM
i completely agree. we've all been waiting a very long time for a solo effort from liz....let's just hope that it'll really be worth the wait!
how people choose to comment on her personal life is entirely another matter.
It sure is. But WHY would you comment on her personal life to begin with?
It sure is. But WHY would you comment on her personal life to begin with?
For the crack?
It sure is. But WHY would you comment on her personal life to begin with?
Because it's the nature of people - we want to know about our heros, and when the information is not there people will speculate and make things up.
mmmender
May-29-06, 8:49 AM
It sure is. But WHY would you comment on her personal life to begin with?
ANY person in the public eye is prone to such criticisms, it comes part and parcel with being famous!
I absolutely love David Sylvian's music and have a huge collection of rarities and one offs. I am also deeply interested in him as a person and that includes his private life. Why? I have no idea. I suppose I just want to know more about the man that makes the music that I love. I also find great fault in him as a person. I think he is an extremely arrogant and self centred person but that doesnt mean I stop loving his work.
mmmender
May-29-06, 8:59 AM
ditto for mark kozelek of red house painters fame. i've seen him in concert about 4 times now and each and every time he's been rude and arrogant to his audience. he's also prone to stopping in the middle of a track (quite often one that the crowd has been waiting for all night) and he'll break into a cover version of some bizarre song....like something by neil young or kiss or john denver. granted some of his recorded cover versions have been quite good but when your audience is paying for red house painters music that's what he should deliver! his arrogance has put me off him as a person but to this day red house painters are still one of my all-time favourite bands.
I've argued with people over on the now defunct DS forum about this. Several of the forum members over there just could not understand why and how I could criticise David Sylvian as a person. This is going off on a tangent a little but I also passed comment at how David Sylvian could release a record of farting noises and certain fans would still love it because it was by him. I think that many people forget that the musicians we love and admire are still human beings at the end of the day and consequently have their faults just like the rest of us.
For the record, this thread only started as a little joke which I know Lucy belle too as a joke. If and when Liz Fraser's solo album is released I'll be first in the queue to buy the bloody thing.
mmmender
May-29-06, 9:17 AM
exactly my point about how all of us feel about liz's talents....there are many (if not most) fans who will buy her release (myself included) simply because it's got her name on it....and why not? if you're a fan of her singing then it only stands to reason that you'd want to hear more of it.....regardless of what sort of person she may or may not be on the inside.
I've bought plenty of Sylvian stuff which is shite just because it has his name on the cover. I dont think Liz's solo album will be shite though. I think when it finally does see the light of day its going to be something really rather special.
mmmender
May-29-06, 9:22 AM
to be honest i'm just hoping that it's not going to be "underwater" in nature because i found that effort to be quite mediocre. it pales in comparison to what she is really capable of.
I'm hoping its along the lines of "At Last I Am Free", I just loved her vocal on that track and the instrumentation.
Lullaby
May-29-06, 9:30 AM
I'm hoping its along the lines of "At Last I Am Free", I just loved her vocal on that track and the instrumentation.
Aww I remember that song, I know it was a cover but that was probably my favourite thing she did since CT
Aww I remember that song, I know it was a cover but that was probably my favourite thing she did since CT
Me too Lucy B. I think she sung it so beautifully. I'd like to hear more stuff in a similar style.
Ghosty
May-29-06, 12:56 PM
i don't think vog misunderstood anything.
Well, he didn't understand the humour behind Simon's post. What I'm trying to get at is that with subtle stuff like humour sometimes the language barrier and the lack of eye to eye contact could easily lead to misunderstandings, especially when you're such a pro-Liz-activist as Vog seems to be.
Ghosty
May-29-06, 12:58 PM
Oh and by the way I LOOOOVE Underwater! The original track, not the dance version. If the album is like THAT, I'm one happy dude!
Well, he didn't understand the humour behind Simon's post. What I'm trying to get at is that with subtle stuff like humour sometimes the language barrier and the lack of eye to eye contact could easily lead to misunderstandings, especially when you're such a pro-Liz-activist as Vog seems to be.
Why is this turning into a big fucking issue when it is not? Surely by my original post ending with "love and kisses" it would be obvious that I was being particularly serious in the first place. Dear god!
it's not a big issue, Simes. I'm just trying to explain something. It's not like it's important. Now go fuck yourself.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding!
What I'm trying to get at is that with subtle stuff like humour sometimes the language barrier and the lack of eye to eye contact could easily lead to misunderstandings, especially when you're such a pro-Liz-activist as Vog seems to be.
thank you ghostface but please i'm not a pro-liz-activist.
i love her as she simply is.
i don't expect her to be glamourous with the cute haircut and hip clothes et all.
i don't want her to release every year a record for the fans and a tour just to please the fans.
btw i'm not a fan maybe because i'm a musician myself.
"fan" is close to "fanatism" for me.
i don't care for this.
maybe i'm strange, but i'm not that "greedy" (don't know if it's the correct term for "gourmand"). i'm already thankful for all the beauty that the CT have giving me since a lot of years.
everything else is "bonus" for me.
even if she wanted to retire and quit music like vashti bunyan in 1970 will be fine for me as long as i can still listen to "quiscose" or "seekers who are lovers" or "when mama was moth".
take care everyone.
maybe it's the language barrier or something...
"bonne nuit les petits...:snowman: "
stargazer
May-30-06, 3:19 AM
Damn! I had no Idea Liz was going to release a solo cd. I'm so out of the Cocteau Twins loop. It's a good thing I found this site. Anyway, I hope her cd is better than that last Kate Bush album. It was a total let down. I'm sure Liz will deliver the goods in time. I'm so excited about this. I can't wait to hear it!
Lucibelle
May-30-06, 4:17 AM
I can certainly understand life taking priority over making music. I've been so intent on finding a way to support myself again that I have done little work on our music, a constant disappointment to James. But when the time comes and I DO do work on our stuff, he tells me it was worth the wait every time. I also understand not being into it for a while. This has also been a factor in my reluctance to work on music, but if it's not in you, you can't force it. I know it will come back, it always does, as this is not the first time I've taken a vacation from music. But if that vacation is needed, then forcing the work will produce mediocre results, and who wants that?
Music has always been a huge part of my life, and always will be, but sometimes you have to take a step back, for however long it takes, just so you can eventually go back to it with a fresh, new perspective. But music is also a lifestyle, especially for those who 'make it'. There are tons of stories out there about the perils of life on the road. Yes, it can be lots of fun, but it can also be a lifestyle that is anything but 'normal'. I don't know of any band who is around for many years that doesn't eventually take a significant break. (at least none that I can think of) For whatever reason they do it, spending time with their family, starting a family, a falling out with band members, or just because things are starting to get stale, they just need a break from it. Some take it for good, but the ones who come back often seem to have a brighter fire burning in themselves than when they left.
However long it takes for Liz, it takes. I'll keep waiting, as I know many others will too, but some things just need to wait until the time is right. This is true of all sorts of aspects of life. So whatever the reason may be, the timing for Liz's solo album just doesn't seem to be right for her right now. Personally, I think it WILL be worth the wait. :)
Phil Lawton
May-30-06, 5:04 AM
sometimes her life can get pretty busy, even if it means taking a bit longer to make her album. She's got a hard time looking after my 8 yr old sister and She's also busy doing this Massive Attack tour until maybe mid-september and one of the reasons she's doing that is coz she needs some money "on-hand" to get my room ready.
Thereby dispelling the myth that women can multi-task.
Baddy2shoos
May-30-06, 5:59 AM
I don't mind waiting. There are too many comebacks happening all at once.
Phil Lawton
May-30-06, 6:05 AM
I don't mind waiting. There are too many comebacks happening all at once.
Yeah...good of LF to give us ten years breathing space.
I honestly don't care now whether she does or doesn't release an album. What concerns me is the apparent lack of creche faclities in Bristol.
Tinspur
May-30-06, 6:20 AM
Thereby dispelling the myth that women can multi-task.
Ouch! Careful where you swing that broadsword Phil!!!
Phil Lawton
May-30-06, 6:23 AM
Ouch! Careful where you swing that broadsword Phil!!!
It has a finely honed blade, Tin.
I mean, c'mon....no new album in almost ten years because she's been bringing up a sprog?
That excuse was so lame that it needed a wheelchair to get the end of the paragraph.
by the sea
May-30-06, 6:39 AM
Could you ask your Mom if she'll meet me in Athens on June 9?
chaco75
May-30-06, 9:29 AM
I personally don't really care much for a liz solo album at all. I obviously love the stuff she did while in cocteau twins, but I'm only interested in that: her voice as part of cocteau twins.
if she feels her priorities are elsewhere, then I'm happy she is doing what she thinks is most important.
djproject
May-30-06, 10:09 AM
i always felt like her various collaborations - and especially the ones after cocteau twins - were pieces of her "solo effort." i'm not anxious to see her solo album come out but i'll definitely be first in line when it does arrive.
as far as priorities, i personally can relate to it. i have a lot on my plate for the moment: trying to secure a permanent job so i can move out on my own, finishing pre-production of omvendelsen (the script is registered and copyrighted, now i have to break down the script and draw up production sheets, budgets and so on) and trying to get "the spangle maker" off the ground. there are a lot of other creative endeavours i wish to do such as working on another script for a dark romantic film and developing the idea of the cinematic ikon. so much to do and so very little time to do them all.
don't ask about social life because i have slim-to-none at this point (and interestingly enough, the first spangle maker release i want to do relates to a period of my life where i went through an intense romantic depression) =]
and to lucy, i hope your sister doesn't give too much trouble and i sent my best to you and to your family =]
and to all who read this also, i also sent my best =]
Simonp
May-30-06, 10:49 AM
I mean, c'mon....no new album in almost ten years because she's been bringing up a sprog?
.
Some sprogs are harder to bring up than others.
Baddy2shoos
May-30-06, 10:50 AM
and some girls are bigger than others
Phil Lawton
May-30-06, 10:52 AM
Some sprogs are harder to bring up than others.
And some people will hide behind any old flannel when they're searching for an excuse.
Phil Lawton
May-30-06, 10:54 AM
and some girls are bigger than others
As are their blouses.
Simonp
May-30-06, 10:55 AM
And some people will hide behind any old flannel when they're searching for an excuse.
What you're trying to say is perhaps Lizzy just hasn't got it in her anymore?
Phil Lawton
May-30-06, 11:21 AM
What you're trying to say is perhaps Lizzy just hasn't got it in her anymore?
Judging by that caterwauling she did for Massive Attack at Coachella, that may well be the thrust of my assertion, yes.
Yes, yes, bring on the "shut up, you Liz hater" brigade, but I can only go by the evidence presented to my auditory senses. When what I hear, other than the resounding silence from Chateau Solo Career, is the same level of performance heard often from fourth place contestants at a seaside summer camp talent show, I can only assume that LF's salad days are long gone.
And to lead us to believe (through a third hand account) that she's having a bit of difficulty stringing an album together over the period of nine years because she has a kid to look after is, frankly, pathetic.
Baddy2shoos
May-30-06, 11:25 AM
she was good on radio 2, but it wasn't anything out of the ordinary just a bog standard rendition of teardrop.
Quisquose
May-30-06, 11:30 AM
Phil, ever heard the old saying "discretion is the better part of valor?"
No?
Never mind then.
Phil Lawton
May-30-06, 11:42 AM
Phil, ever heard the old saying "discretion is the better part of valor?"
No?
Never mind then.
Q
I've heard the phrase, obviously, m'luv...but how is it relevant?
Don't forget how well-worth-the-wait Kate's new album was.
Yep!
Quisquose
May-30-06, 2:30 PM
Q
I've heard the phrase, obviously, m'luv...but how is it relevant?
Eh, errr... never mind.
*retreats back into shell*
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/quisquose/hermitcrab.jpg
starhopper
May-30-06, 2:45 PM
Thereby dispelling the myth that women can multi-task.
I can multi-task...
*purrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*
Phil Lawton
May-30-06, 6:20 PM
I can multi-task...
Great...can you get your clothes on AND make tea, Hops? No other female around here can seem to fuse those two activities together, no matter how terse or gentle my bidding is.
100%Clown
May-30-06, 7:15 PM
Judging by that caterwauling she did for Massive Attack at Coachella, that may well be the thrust of my assertion, yes.
Yes, yes, bring on the "shut up, you Liz hater" brigade, but I can only go by the evidence presented to my auditory senses. ....the same level of performance heard often from fourth place contestants at a seaside summer camp talent show, I can only assume that LF's salad days are long gone.
well, by your own admission, you've never been very impressed by her live vocals, in any period, no? Or are you meaning to say here that she's even worse now (live), than she ever was before?
At the very least, I'll grant you that she does seem to be all over the map when it comes to performing live, but from what I gather, that's always been the case. If we were to agree that she wasn't so great, or downright crummy at Coachella, how then would you account for her lovely vocal contributions for that live Yann Tiersen performance? I think that performance demonstrated that, under the right circumstances and at the very least, she can still do the ethereal style well, and hasn't lost that part of her repetoire at all. Or did you find that particular vocal performance displeasing too?
That excuse was so lame that it needed a wheelchair to get the end of the paragraph.
impressive work.
She did sing well live in the 80's, as can be heard on some bootlegs. I did mention Vera, Groningen before...the excellent versions of Millimillenary and Pepper-Tree...she sings the shit out of those. Later live stuff is less impressive, I must admit, and it's obvious her voice has changed in the post-cocteau years, but that's inevitable with age, I guess. But I love her vocals in Underwater and I like that song. It's way better than At Last I'm Free or the Yann Tiersen stuff IMO. They sound too...I don't know...cosy, I guess. Like she's singing a bit around the house doing the cooking or whatever.
Which can be okay, but when listening to Liz I want to be...transported to a different, more beautiful reality...only Liz can (or could) make me feel like that. And I want more!
And I want it NOW godammit!
Phil Lawton
May-31-06, 6:33 AM
well, by your own admission, you've never been very impressed by her live vocals, in any period, no? Or are you meaning to say here that she's even worse now (live), than she ever was before?
At the very least, I'll grant you that she does seem to be all over the map when it comes to performing live, but from what I gather, that's always been the case. If we were to agree that she wasn't so great, or downright crummy at Coachella, how then would you account for her lovely vocal contributions for that live Yann Tiersen performance? I think that performance demonstrated that, under the right circumstances and at the very least, she can still do the ethereal style well, and hasn't lost that part of her repetoire at all. Or did you find that particular vocal performance displeasing too?
Under the right circumstances?
What a ringing endorsement that is. "Yes, Mr Promoter, I'll sing in tune, but it has to under the right circumstances...you know...an audience of no more than seven...any more than that and hey, what can I tell you?"
impressive work
You're too, too kind.
JohnnyV
May-31-06, 7:23 AM
I'll have an Eva Prawn coctail please.
Phil Lawton
May-31-06, 7:55 AM
I'll have an Eva Prawn coctail please.
Sorry, this is the wrong queue for an Eva Prawn cocktail....just down the corridor, third on the reich.
mmmender
May-31-06, 11:02 AM
especially when you're such a pro-Liz-activist as Vog seems to be.
pro liz activist? fuck that's funny!
Lucibelle
May-31-06, 4:10 PM
I like her live sound. I can't stand it when a band sounds *exactly* like the album. What's the point of seeing them live, then? I'll just pop in my CD and save fifty bucks on the ticket.
starhopper
May-31-06, 5:31 PM
Great...can you get your clothes on AND make tea, Hops? No other female around here can seem to fuse those two activities together, no matter how terse or gentle my bidding is.
have I forgotten to mention my 2 other arms?
my mind is a sieve these days
Liz's vocals on the Black Session version of Pandora are (to my ears) about 10 times better than on the original... Same for the 96 version of Wax n Wane.
To claim her live singing was in any way better in the 80s is pure bullshit. She was rougher in the 80s, but she never sounded better than on the last tour.
I guess she wanted to quit vocal acrobatics, hence the subdued singing over past 10 years... but you can't judge the state of someone's voice by hearing them sing Teardrop once a night... It's a VERY tricky song to sing, don't you think?
Regarding her solo songwriting abilities, we'll have to wait, but a lot of people here seem to badly want it to suck, which is really fuckin weird to me.
.Teardrop - It's a VERY tricky song to sing, don't you think?
Not really. Its probably a damn sight easier to sing than BBK or Carolyn's Fingers I would have thought.
"love love is a verb..."
Regarding her solo songwriting abilities, we'll have to wait, but a lot of people here seem to badly want it to suck, which is really fuckin weird to me.
Can't say I've picked that up - I think what you're hearing is people steeling themselves for disappointment.
I want it to be brilliant. I want it to take me to the same places that Cocteau Twins take me. I want it to grab me and hold me like nothing before. But whilst I expect her voice to be as good as ever, I fear that without the song writing skills and musicianship of Robin & Simon it simply won't go there. It'll be an exceptional singer performing ordinary songs and for that reason alone it's likely to be an anti-climax. Cocteau Twins were more than an individual. Liz shone out, but that was because the music and songs of Simon and Robin allowed her too. They wrapped around her and accentuated and enhanced in a way that to my mind no other group has ever reached. Without that unique trio sparking together will we ever hear Liz being allowed to perform to her limits again? I think she'd have to be exceptionally lucky to find collaborators that give her anything like as much again - it's a once in a lifetime thing.
And I hope I'm proved 100% wrong!
Liz shone out, but that was because the music and songs of Simon and Robin allowed her too. They wrapped around her and accentuated and enhanced in a way that to my mind no other group has ever reached.
i totally agree with you on that. i just wish they'd fucking get back together. to be honest, i don't exactly love any of the solo post-ct stuff. i just find a discussion of a bunch of fans on "loss" of vocal talents of an amazing singer totally laughable....
Phil Lawton
Jun-1-06, 10:28 AM
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but you can't judge the state of someone's voice by hearing them sing Teardrop once a night...
So one can only judge how good a singer is by their performance of easy songs? Is it just me or is that a contradiction in terms? Would you judge a bricklayer by his ability to juggle a brick and then assume he could build a house?
It's a VERY tricky song to sing, don't you think?
Only if you can't sing.
Regarding her solo songwriting abilities, we'll have to wait, but a lot of people here seem to badly want it to suck, which is really fuckin weird to me
I can't recall anyone either intimating or stating that outright - expectation, however, is a long way from want.
Phil Lawton
Jun-1-06, 10:40 AM
i just find a discussion of a bunch of fans on "loss" of vocal talents of an amazing singer totally laughable....
She hasn't produced anything with the power of anything on HOLV since HOLV. "This Love"? "Teardrop"? Both so close to the mike that it must have been grating her tonsils. The murmurings she did on the Lord Of The Rings soundtracks were so far down in the mix that they were barely inaudible.
Then we have the recent footage of her on here, singing at Coachella. I've heard more accurate pitch at a karaoke evening.
What IS laughable is the attitude that a singer could not possibly falter in the quality of their vocal talents. It happens. It can be glossed over in the studio by doing take after take...there's also technology to nudge a vocal performance up or down in pitch.
Live singing, however, sorts the men from the boys. There's nowhere to hide unless you have some extremely talented technicians on hand.
If her solo album ever does come out (yeah, right) and she belts it out, I'll publicly apologise here and admit that I was mistaken.
I must have been thinking about you Phil. Your dissing of their live performances irritates me, because I disagree strongly. I think you're ridiculously wrong about it, but it's a stupid thing for me to say, since it's just a difference in tastes after all.
I give you that she was out of tune on Coachella, but it's just one song, and I think it's a tricky song to sing because in lesser hands it would be the blandest thing imaginable and she's doing the weird trembling thing that I never hear anyone do (in "pop" format). And I don't have high expectations for her album, I don't ever care so much for it. She can spend another 5 years on it, it's ok with me. I hope it won't be too timid or whatever.
And I don't have high expectations for her album, I don't ever care so much for it. .
If you dont care so much, why are you getting your knickers in a twist about it?
Well I was just thinking about that.... I don't know. She's so sweet and small and cute and her voice gives me a hard on....
Well I was just thinking about that.... I don't know. She's so sweet and small and cute and her voice gives me a hard on....
Even when she's out of tune?
Phil Lawton
Jun-1-06, 10:59 AM
I must have been thinking about you Phil. Your dissing of their live performances irritates me, because I disagree strongly. I think you're ridiculously wrong about it, but it's a stupid thing for me to say, since it's just a difference in tastes after all.
I give you that she was out of tune on Coachella, but it's just one song, and I think it's a tricky song to sing because in lesser hands it would be the blandest thing imaginable and she's doing the weird trembling thing that I never hear anyone do (in "pop" format). And I don't have high expectations for her album, I don't ever care so much for it. She can spend another 5 years on it, it's ok with me. I hope it won't be too timid or whatever.
Oss
Your defence of LF's live warbling would irritate me if not for my knowledge of how CT music grasps innocent passers-by and sucks them in whole.
That said, I find you to be as "ridiculously wrong" in LF's defence as you find me in my criticism of her live abilities. Like you say, eyes and ears of the beholder, mate. Oh, and please note...it's not CT live performances I'm "dissing"...the instrumentation was always spot on (and, as a huge chunk of it was on tape, it bloody well should have been).
...the instrumentation was always spot on (and, as a huge chunk of it was on tape, it bloody well should have been).
Are you telling me Robin Guthrie was playing air guitar all these years?
Phil Lawton
Jun-1-06, 11:05 AM
Are you telling me Robin Guthrie was playing air guitar all these years?
It was a nice blue one.
It was a nice blue one.
did he used to wear a frock too?
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/~jbrassil/photos/3-2-25%20susan%20tedeschi/3-2-25%20susan%20tedeschi%20bright%20blue%20guitar.jpg
I'm not as blind to their (or her) imperfections as it probably seems, but I feel stupid writing about it, dissecting live recordings, discussing a flat note in a song. I feel it's pointless and arrogant. So I'd rather keep on (obviously stupidly sometimes) contradicting you for example.
Baddy2shoos
Jun-1-06, 11:17 AM
come on boys, just have a big old mud wrestle and get it over with
Phil Lawton
Jun-1-06, 11:37 AM
I'm not as blind to their (or her) imperfections as it probably seems, but I feel stupid writing about it, dissecting live recordings, discussing a flat note in a song. I feel it's pointless and arrogant. So I'd rather keep on (obviously stupidly sometimes) contradicting you for example.
Oss
Thank fuck we live in a society where we're still allowed to contradict one another. There's nothing arrogant, by the way, about dissecting performances of any kind - at some point, the artist is relieving us of money to see/hear those performances.
The dissection has been paid for by the punter, as has the right to hear the correct notes.
Phil Lawton
Jun-1-06, 11:38 AM
did he used to wear a frock too?
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/~jbrassil/photos/3-2-25%20susan%20tedeschi/3-2-25%20susan%20tedeschi%20bright%20blue%20guitar.jpg
Nah...that's that Leonard Skinherd bloke, innit?
I don't know but she's playing a mean guitar solo.
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