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Sentiment
Feb-2-08, 4:49 AM
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PS: what's with the photo at the top of the Forum page?
Where is that ? It looks like the most boring of suburb behind.

dprid
Feb-2-08, 6:05 PM
PS: what's with the photo at the top of the Forum page?
Where is that ? It looks like the most boring of suburb behind.
I believe they're beach huts, but I can't remember where they are. I'm sure someone will know.

Fritter
Feb-3-08, 6:28 AM
It's Beyoncé's studio complex

mmmender
Feb-4-08, 2:56 AM
I believe they're beach huts, but I can't remember where they are. I'm sure someone will know.
I have no idea where those series of photos were taken. I have wondered if it's the same beach location were the home-movie segments found in "Rilkean Dreams" were taken.

I've sent the question to both Simon or Robin, I'll let you know if I get any replies.

Here's a copy of the photo in question. I'm posting it here for future reference because the banners always change on this forum.

http://cocteautwins.com/html/theband/band/1993_1.jpg

mmmender
Feb-4-08, 4:26 AM
I've sent the question to both Simon or Robin, I'll let you know if I get any replies.

Here's Simon's reply to where that picture was taken.........


"Dungeoness......rilkean heart video was done in St Margarets." - Simon Raymonde</pre>

Fritter
Feb-4-08, 5:58 AM
Gah, I was going to say Dungeness as a possibility - there's a small community of old fisherman's cottages (including the one where Derek Jarman famously lived) in the shadow of 2 lighthouses and an enormous power station. It's a unique part of England, otherworldly, and easily acceissable by miniature railway - just to make things more surreal. Oh, and there's the Sound Mirrors too.


(FYI St. Margarets is in the western suburbs of London, 30 mins on the train from Waterloo)

mmmender
Feb-4-08, 6:00 AM
Gah, I was going to say Dungeness as a possibility - there's a small community of old fisherman's cottages (including the one where Derek Jarman famously lived) in the shadow of 2 lighthouses and an enormous power station. It's a unique part of England, otherworldly, and easily acceissable by miniature railway - just to make things more surreal. Oh, and there's the Sound Mirrors too.


(FYI St. Margarets is in the western suburbs of London, 30 mins on the train from Waterloo)
Yes, we chatted a bit afterwards and he did actually mention that the location was close to where Derek Jarman lived........it's funny that you should mention it.

Fritter
Feb-4-08, 6:05 AM
Yes he was definatley the local celebrity - with his amazing garden (documented in a lovely little Super 8 film soundtracked by one B. Eno, if I recall right).

It's like a very wierd cross between Chernobyl, Area 51 and Eastbourne. Well worth a visit.

mmmender
Feb-4-08, 6:11 AM
Yes he was definatley the local celebrity - with his amazing garden (documented in a lovely little Super 8 film soundtracked by one B. Eno, if I recall right).

It's like a very wierd cross between Chernobyl, Area 51 and Eastbourne. Well worth a visit.
I'm a big fan of Super-8 (and Super-16). I actually used one of my Bolex 8's for shooting segments of the music video I shot for Simon Raymonde......have you seen it? The majority of the video was actually shot using my 16, an Arriflex 16S with extra Zeiss lens. The footage turned out really lovely, in fact when I was having it colour corrected the technician said it could pass for 35 - I was very pleased to hear that.

mmmender
Feb-4-08, 6:13 AM
http://www.valkyrieillumination.com/images/arri16s1.jpg

Fritter
Feb-4-08, 6:17 AM
I haven't seen that video, no. Super 8 was so fantastic, but now Kodak have stopped making the relatively cheap Kodachrome, it's scarily expensive to process, telecine etc. I used to shoot documentary B-roll on film jobs on Super 8 and then somehow get these rolls 'jumbled up' with my own stuff so the whole lot just had to get the whole lot transferred.

mmmender
Feb-4-08, 6:29 AM
I haven't seen that video, no. Super 8 was so fantastic, but now Kodak have stopped making the relatively cheap Kodachrome, it's scarily expensive to process, telecine etc. I used to shoot documentary B-roll on film jobs on Super 8 and then somehow get these rolls 'jumbled up' with my own stuff so the whole lot just had to get the whole lot transferred.
I'm drooling now.......tech talk gets me going! ;)

I should make a point of getting a digital copy of the music video made. Right now I only have it on a BetaSP master. I think I've waited long enough to make illegal copies of it available - it used to only be available for sale through the online Bella Union shop on VHS (gah!) I'll post a thread once I get around to uploading it.

I shot most of my student films on Super-8 as well, only did one in my last year that was shot on 16....it wasn't very good though, I dare not make those available for viewing.

I preferred to use B&W filmstock - but that too became increasingly harder to find. Then it wasn't long before most facilities stopped doing the transfers....crying shame really that it's such a dead format.

Took me years to save up enough money to buy my Arriflex 16 and I was thrilled to finally get a chance to use it properly for Simon's shoot. Since I work in video all the time I was dead set on using film for it. Even with the 16 though I found it hard to locate transfer facilities for that format. All the post was done with an Avid......my nemesis!

What formats are you working with these days, Dan? And, have you got some equipment of your own, both video and film?

Fritter
Feb-4-08, 6:36 AM
Um I have 2 DV cameras and two Super 8 cameras and am about to buy a small HD camera for work, will photograph the Super 8 cameras later - they're almost as valuable as props as cameras!

The thing about film is that you can let the shot run much longer than on video, it takes longer for the eye to tire of the image, I find anyway.

Fritter
Feb-4-08, 7:04 AM
OK, got your keyboard glad-wrapped?

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7977826@N06/2241018549/" title="IMG_2055 by DanMud, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2194/2241018549_fb9a380f28.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="IMG_2055" /></a>

Fritter
Feb-4-08, 7:05 AM
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7977826@N06/2241018547/" title="IMG_2052 by DanMud, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2194/2241018547_a3fec558e5.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="IMG_2052" /></a>

frarn
Feb-4-08, 8:47 AM
I'm sorry, I just came .......!!!

:)

Daphne
Feb-4-08, 8:51 AM
:crying:

dprid
Feb-4-08, 2:10 PM
This is Derek Jarman's place, it's called Prospect Cottage

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/753/840835.JPG

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/04/17/041708_d928fc6c.jpg

http://www.ianmarr.com.au/picture_library/cottage.jpg

http://www.thinktag.com/country/countryimages/may04/prospectcottagewide_480.jpg

Fritter
Feb-4-08, 2:19 PM
Not too much mowing to worry about then.

seagirrl
Feb-4-08, 4:13 PM
Ah yes, Dungeness is one of my favourite places in England. So ugly-beautiful.

(Nice cameras!)

agcu418
Feb-4-08, 4:23 PM
Yes he was definatley the local celebrity - with his amazing garden (documented in a lovely little Super 8 film soundtracked by one B. Eno, if I recall right).

It's like a very wierd cross between Chernobyl, Area 51 and Eastbourne. Well worth a visit.


that film was so moving

Baddy2shoos
Feb-4-08, 4:24 PM
I love that photo at the top.

seagirrl
Feb-4-08, 4:28 PM
There's a big Jarman exhibition starting on February 23rd at the Serpentine Gallery. It's to mark the new film Derek, made by Isaac Julien.

mmmender
Feb-5-08, 1:25 AM
OK, got your keyboard glad-wrapped?

Phew, thanks for the warning, all electronic components are safe from spewing liquids!

Those are beautiful cameras, Dan, thanks for posting the pictures.

Are you much into post-production work at all too? Do you work mainly with film or video?

Fritter
Feb-5-08, 6:11 AM
I try to have as little to do with post-production as possible, because a) that's where I started off and b) the less "work" I do in post, the more I can enjoy the end result, so I usually work with an editor to do all the fiddly stuff, once I've blocked out the basic outline/story/dialogue etc.. And since I started cutting my own little things on iMovie, I realise that there's some specific skills only properly trained editors have.

I'm only just learning to love a video image as opposed to film, but spontaneity, speed, conveniance and expense are too crucial factors to keep working on film :(

Do you use Final Cut? I'm thinking of investing in the Express version.