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mmmender
Sep-7-02, 3:15 AM
did you know..........
simon raymonde has a puppy named 'molly'?
simon raymonde and his wife are now separated?
elizabeth has four sisters and one brother?
the song touch upon touch was originally called green?
the infamous fcc toilet seat now resides at the Bella Union office?
the original title for holv (the song) was crispy fiver blue?
simon owns 2 custom made bass guitars designed by himself & made by russell fong?
robin & wife florence have a daughter named 'violette'?
the aikea-guinea video was shot in russel mills' apartment?
the name cocteau twins came from a simple minds song called 'The CCocteau Twins' from the album called 'No Cure'?
that there is a 3" cd single of ice-blink luck?
on the track quisquose simon used a fender bass VI?
the song my hue and cry was never known as void of voice? as most people assume.
the simon raymonde muscle & want video was shot in 4 hours?
simon & robin appear in the music video 'ear drum buzz' by wire?
elizabeth & damon reece have a daughter named 'lilly'?
bbk was the only cocteau album & the only 4AD album ever released on DAT?
the song beatrix was called 'whisht' when they performed it on a john peel session before the album treasure came out?
robin guthrie lives in france?
there are no cocteau twins songs that begin with the letters j, x, y, and z?
cocteau twins were asked to write music for the movie digging to china but it never materialized?
simon's wife karen & his 2 children (william & stanley) all appear in his music video for "in my place" (a track on his solo album)?
millimilenary was the first song written with simon raymonde as a member?
liz fraser and her boyfriend damon reece (spiritualised, lupine howl) live in bristol, england?
Lucy Belle Guthrie has a female goldfish named sushi?
the infamous unfinished album remains untitled?
carolyn (from the song caroyln's fingers) was a friend of Liz and Robin's whose fingers also appear on the BBK cover
september sound studios was owned by Cocteau Twins but the building is owned by pete townsend of the who?
the "cindy" in the title "pandora (for cindy)" is dedicated to gordon sharp of the band cindytalk? gordon introduced liz to louise brooks, star of the film pandora's box.
all of the albums (including moon & the melodies) and the ep's add up to 8 hours, 1 minute and 19 seconds?
Orange Appled was never originally called "Sky To Speak" as is commonly believed.
some proper pronunciations of cocteau twins titles.....
tiny dynamine (die-nah-mine)
cico buff (keycoh-buff)
cicely (sigh-se-lee)
violaine (vee-o-lane)
beatrix (bee-trix)
pandora (pan-doh-ra)
oomingmak (oom-ming-mak)
quisquose (quiz-quose)
MMM...........
yup.
all but the toilet seat, dog,.....
and the holv thing...i'm thinking you made that up..?
like you to throw a trick one in there!;)
but. then again......
:) Z.
mmmender
Sep-7-02, 10:11 AM
nope! sorry to disappoint you zed but THEY'RE REAL!!!! :D ;)
;)
MMM.......
Curses!! foilded again!
lol!
Z.
dynamine
Sep-7-02, 1:16 PM
1.)"ORANGE APPLED" was originally named "THE SKY TO SPEAK"
mmmender
Sep-10-02, 10:49 AM
i've made some new additions to my list above!
Baba O'Reilly
Sep-10-02, 11:33 AM
m - yep, knew all that!
mmmender
Sep-10-02, 11:37 AM
i don't believe you for a second christian.....:D i'm sure you knew a lot of it but i certainly didn't tell anyone "the simon raymonde muscle & want video was shot in 4 hours"
:cool:
watchlar
Sep-10-02, 1:38 PM
CRISPY FIVER BLUE?????? ugh i'm glad she changed it...
thanks mender you always have such great information.
oh and thanks for clearing up the Violane pronunciation....i've been pronouncing wrong for 6 years!!!!!!
Watchy
robin guthrie
May-4-04, 3:26 AM
liz would never have titles for any of her songs until the album was going to final press
not true
the infamous fcc toilet seat now resides in simon's home
not true, it's at bella union
the original title for holv (the song) was crispy fiver blue
not true
robin & wife florence have a daughter named 'violet'
not true, her name is Violette
the name cocteau twins came from a simple minds song called 'no cure'
not true, it came from a Simple Minds song called The Cocteau Twins
the song my hue and cry was once known as void of voice
not true
the song beatrix was called wheessht! by simon & robin until liz changed it
not true, it was called whisht when we performed it on a john peel session before the album treasure came out
robin guthrie has a female goldfish named sushi
not true, Sushi belongs to Lucy Belle Guthrie
carolyn (from the song caroyln's fingers) is just a randomly choosen name
not true, Carolyn was a friend of Liz and myself, who was the model whose fingers appear on the BBK cover
september sound studios is owned by pete townsend of the who
not true, September Sound was owned by Cocteau Twins. The building is owned by PT
"ORANGE APPLED" was originally named "THE SKY TO SPEAK
No It wasn't
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 3:46 AM
Originally posted by robin guthrie
liz would never have titles for any of her songs until the album was going to final press
not true
the infamous fcc toilet seat now resides in simon's home
not true, it's at bella union
the original title for holv (the song) was crispy fiver blue
not true
robin & wife florence have a daughter named 'violet'
not true, her name is Violette
the name cocteau twins came from a simple minds song called 'no cure'
not true, it came from a Simple Minds song called The Cocteau Twins
the song my hue and cry was once known as void of voice
not true
the song beatrix was called wheessht! by simon & robin until liz changed it
not true, it was called whisht when we performed it on a john peel session before the album treasure came out
robin guthrie has a female goldfish named sushi
not true, Sushi belongs to Lucy Belle Guthrie
carolyn (from the song caroyln's fingers) is just a randomly choosen name
not true, Carolyn was a friend of Liz and myself, who was the model whose fingers appear on the BBK cover
september sound studios is owned by pete townsend of the who
not true, September Sound was owned by Cocteau Twins. The building is owned by PT
"ORANGE APPLED" was originally named "THE SKY TO SPEAK
No It wasn't
OK, sanity check....is your name really Robin Guthrie and were you really a member of the Twins?
Spur envisions a forthcoming cat fight between mender and Robin......culminating in a single named "Cat Scratch Fever" on Robin's next album "Buckling the (mmm)ender"
http://tinspurio.bravehost.com/tongue.jpg
robin guthrie
May-4-04, 8:01 AM
hey I was only trying to help :)
and I don't think that mender needs me to buckle her, do you?
No worries, all in jest, thanks for the info Robin :)
....dear God, zed.....don't say or do anything. back out slowly.........
Z.:eek:
mmmender
May-4-04, 8:15 AM
fyi robin a lot of that info, if not all of it....i got from SIMON RAYMONDE!
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 8:22 AM
a storm's a-brewin!
mmmender
May-4-04, 8:22 AM
yeah actually the weather here kinda sucks.
;)
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 8:24 AM
we just had hail stones over here
mmmender
May-4-04, 8:27 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
we just had hail stones over here
ditto here. the weather is very schzio!
Baba O'Reilly
May-4-04, 8:40 AM
Those bleedin' hailstones have moved south now....
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 8:45 AM
Originally posted by Christian S.
Those bleedin' hailstones have moved south now....
Bleeding hailstones? Oh, Lord, it'll be the plague of frogs and rivers of blood next.
Pan-fried locust, anyone? I made them myself.
Baba O'Reilly
May-4-04, 8:47 AM
Originally posted by Phil Lawton
Pan-fried locust, anyone? I made them myself.
I've seen that on a Chinese menu.
In the space of 40 minutes (in Bracknell) we've had hail, rain, gale, torrential rain, thunder, lightning & bright sunshine. This is where the Met Office used to be - perhaps this is why they moved, the weather is too busy here!
Baba O'Reilly
May-4-04, 9:44 AM
All in all just another typical day's weather in the UK.
Well we are in May and it is the cricket season after all.
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 9:45 AM
don't ya just love Britain
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 9:48 AM
Originally posted by dprid
In the space of 40 minutes (in Bracknell) we've had hail, rain, gale, torrential rain, thunder, lightning & bright sunshine.
Same here, Dave...marvellous stuff. It means that summer has been postponed for a few days more.
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 9:52 AM
Sadist
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 9:58 AM
One less day of summer is one less day of misery for me.
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 9:59 AM
argghhhhhhhh!!
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
argghhhhhhhh!!
You in pain, Beth? Must be the weight of that Alison Goldfrapp photo. You'd best send it to me to avoid future injury.
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 10:03 AM
hands off, you'll have to come and get it...
Baba O'Reilly
May-4-04, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Phil Lawton
One less day of summer is one less day of misery for me.
Is that down to hay fever Phil?
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 10:14 AM
hay fever sucks! esp. at exam time
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Christian S.
Is that down to hay fever Phil?
If only, Chris. No, it stems from me not being able to function when the weather's warm.
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
hands off, you'll have to come and get it...
I'll be there at seven, so you'd best dig the vaseline out now.
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 10:20 AM
ooohhh errrrr missus
can we make it 8 I have an appointment with a client at 7?
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
ooohhh errrrr missus
can we make it 8 I have an appointment with a client at 7?
OK, but wash you hands before we get together. I don't want any of that stuff on the book.
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 10:24 AM
ok it's a deal
Baba O'Reilly
May-4-04, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
hay fever sucks! esp. at exam time
Hell, hay fever sucks all the time!
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
ok it's a deal
And can you wear the welding apron again?
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 10:58 AM
whatever floats your boat
bring the charcoal suit too!
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
whatever floats your boat
bring the charcoal suit too!
And the filter mask?
Baddy2shoos
May-4-04, 11:09 AM
is that for you or me?
Phil Lawton
May-4-04, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
is that for you or me?
You little tease.
Baba O'Reilly
May-4-04, 11:10 AM
As a wholly impartial observer I'd say the filter mask would be for Dennis Hopper.
andylama
May-4-04, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by mmmender
fyi robin a lot of that info, if not all of it....i got from SIMON RAYMONDE!
Okay, who's taking the piss now?
Now I'm expecting a missive from Mr. Raymonde saying
"yes it is"
"totally true"
"it is too"
"true"
"I should know..."
"all true"
Originally posted by robin guthrie
not true, it came from a Simple Minds song called The Cocteau Twins
HA! I knew that one!
And I'm glad I got most of the song pronunciations right too.
salbiez
May-10-04, 6:16 AM
http://www.simpleminds.org/sm/songs/liad/ct1.htm
Here's a link to more info on Simple Minds' 'The Cocteau Twins'
Also, just remembered - one of the first (and probably few) airings of CT music on primetime TV was in 1984 - on UK ITV's Football Saturday lunch-time programme, there was a feature on Scottish international and music officianado Pat Nevin. He was shown playing Treasure (I think Ivo) and there was another Treasure track used in the feature. The studio presenters were not complementary about the tracks I seem to remember ...
Does this count as an interesting tidbit?
carolyn (from the song caroyln's fingers) is just a randomly choosen name?
Robin said that fingers on Blue Bell Knoll belongs to Carolyn, who was a friend of his, and had photo session with juergen teller. Robin was pissed, because he had to pay for pictures of fingers. They shot it all day long. But maybe he made it up.
carolyn (from the song caroyln's fingers) is just a randomly choosen name
not true, Carolyn was a friend of Liz and myself, who was the model whose fingers appear on the BBK cover
Is this the same Carolyn/Carol with whom Liz plans to die in the Rosary? As well a friend of Cinder's?
Originally posted by mmmender
some proper pronunciations of cocteau twins titles.....
tiny dynamine (die-nah-mine)
cico buff (keycoh-buff)
cicely (sigh-se-lee)
violaine (vee-o-lane)
beatrix (bee-trix)
pandora (pan-doh-ra)
oomingmak (oom-ming-mak)
quisquose (quiz-quose)
Funny, I always thought:
Cico Buff= Seeko- Buff
Cicely= Sisselee
Violaine= Vai-o-lane
Beatrix= Bee-at-trix
Well atleast I got two of them right.
And I always wondered wether Ivo was pronounced Ee-vo or
Ai-vo.:confused:
petroldarling
May-20-04, 1:23 AM
weesht!
that makes me really happy.
petroldarling
May-20-04, 1:24 AM
i always thought cico was chee-ko.
cicely, sis'lee
and quisquose with an s sound instead of a z.
to each their own i suppose ehehe
Originally posted by GhostFace
I always wondered wether Ivo was pronounced Ee-vo or
Ai-vo
At first I thought it was "EYE - vo" ( After the 4AD dude Ivo Watts) but it sounds like Liz is singing "EE-vo" in the song.
Though some people seem to think she's sing "peep-bo" :confused: :rolleyes:
Peep-Bo was the original song name before it was changed to Ivo. My info was sourced from a old interview with Ivo, but RG can feel free contradict the notion.
Spoggle-Toes is pronounced just like it is.
Pale Clouded
May-20-04, 1:28 PM
Originally posted by willy
Spoggle-Toes is pronounced just like it is.
crying
petroldarling
May-20-04, 1:46 PM
i always assumed 'ee-vo' as well from what it sounds like liz is singing.
i love the alliteration in that song. peep-peep!
dynamine
May-20-04, 1:52 PM
near our ivo
peep peep-oh
I always assumed it was EEvo aswell. But it's probably because of the Dutch pronounciation (Ivo is a common name around here, pronounced as such).
I never heard it in the song though until I found the 'lyrics' on the site. Peach Blow indeed.
'Peach Blow' is actually exactly what I heard before checking out the lyrics.
Pale Clouded
May-21-04, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Radagast
'Peach Blow' is actually exactly what I heard before checking out the lyrics.
You mean the lyrical quesses..........
I think she does say peach blow in there......
Originally posted by Pale Clouded
You mean the lyrical quesses..........
That's what I meant... even though I've never heard the word "quesses" before in my life.
Pale Clouded
May-22-04, 9:04 AM
Originally posted by Radagast
That's what I meant... even though I've never heard the word "quesses" before in my life.
LOL!
It's a new thing I was hoping would catch on.......
I meant guesses......................roflmao
mmmender
Aug-8-05, 4:30 AM
bumping this thread for the noobs.
shimmerfoil
Aug-8-05, 6:15 AM
bumping this thread for the noobs.
Very kind of you. Thanks! :)
mike_mhg
Aug-8-05, 6:34 AM
Regarding pronunciations, can anybody help with mizake
shimmerfoil
Aug-8-05, 6:38 AM
Regarding pronunciations, can anybody help with mizake
I've always said 'me-zake'. But I could be wrong!
Regarding pronunciations, can anybody help with mizake
I always took the pronunciation to be "mi-zar-kee" as in Karate Kid movies???
I know, sad innit?? crying
Fritter
Aug-8-05, 12:14 PM
Just curious, when have you ever had cause to say "Mizake The Mizan" out loud? Unless you're a spy...
I always took the pronunciation to be "mi-zar-kee" as in Karate Kid movies???
I know, sad innit?? crying
Yeah, me too, but i usually say Mi-zar-kay (the my-zann). And i've never said it out loud. But you've got to have a way of pronouncing things in your head, right? :crazy: Right?!!
mmmender
Aug-8-05, 1:29 PM
i've always understood MIZAKE THE MIZAN to be a hidden reference to MAKE THE MAN.....in a pig latin, liz fraser kind of way. and i pronounce it Mih-zake (like 'mistake').
Tidbit: Cocteau Twins' original name was Robin G and his Good Time Boogie Band. Their first gig was a wedding.
Tidbit: Cocteau Twins' original name was Robin G and his Good Time Boogie Band. Their first gig was a wedding.
stands in corner tapping foot and looking at watch waiting for Mr. G to post a response to this one ;-)
Tidbit: Cocteau Twins' original name was Robin G and his Good Time Boogie Band. Their first gig was a wedding.
Please! Say it ain't so!!! :D
mike_mhg
Aug-9-05, 6:09 AM
Tidbit: Cocteau Twins' original name was Robin G and his Good Time Boogie Band. Their first gig was a wedding.
NO. NO. NO. Don't believe it. WON'T believe it.
Sorry, it was just a bad dream...
waterviolet
Aug-9-05, 12:15 PM
About the Simple Minds thing-- I have it from Robin himself that it was a song called "The Cocteau Twins" that became the song "No Cure" which is on SM's debut album Life In A Day. So, it's almost correct in mmmender's list.
What about the Sky To Speak and Void Of Voice things? Were they just names made up for those two bootlegs?
mmmender
Aug-9-05, 4:32 PM
good questions brant, hopefully someone will give us answers or at least some more clarification.
here are four working titles of tunes from "mysterious skin" by robin & harold budd
neil loiters in park = loitering
eric takes neil home = twilight
back to coaches house = neil's theme
snow begins falling = snowfall
Plain Tiger
Aug-10-05, 3:11 PM
did you know..........
[list]
robin & wife florence have a daughter named 'violette'?
Is this true?? I always got the impression that Robin was single --
postlibyan
Aug-10-05, 3:19 PM
Is this true?? I always got the impression that Robin was single -- yeah, Robin is re-married. to a Frenchwoman i do believe, which is why he lives in France.
how many children do Robin and Florence have? does he call her "Flo"? does she ever tell him, "Kiss my grits!"?
PJK
kookaburra
Aug-10-05, 3:28 PM
Mel, Kiss My Grits!
http://timstvshowcase.com/flo1.jpg
Pale Clouded
Aug-10-05, 3:34 PM
Mel, Kiss My Grits!
http://timstvshowcase.com/flo1.jpg
Wha?
No I've changed my mind..I think it's "peep bo" a play on bo peep...
andylama
Aug-10-05, 7:48 PM
i've always understood MIZAKE THE MIZAN to be a hidden reference to MAKE THE MAN.....in a pig latin, liz fraser kind of way. and i pronounce it Mih-zake (like 'mistake').
I was under the impression that this one was already 'outed'.
Yes, "mizake the mizan" is in fact, 'carny speak' for "make the man". In 1920's America, this would have been understood as a slang phrase meaning "doing a drug deal". This slang is of the same vintage as "cherry colored funk", meaning specifically "black smoke", and "fifty-fifty clown", meaning "part-time policeman".
Aren't these (and more) on a CT-related website? I read these somewhere!
Robin isn't re-married, because Liz wasn't his wife. Florence and Robin have got one daughter - Violette.
mmmender
Aug-11-05, 3:01 PM
Robin isn't re-married, because Liz wasn't his wife. Florence and Robin have got one daughter - Violette.
.........but they're also raising Lucy Belle Guthrie as she lives with robin and florence in france too!
daniel-82
Aug-12-05, 6:24 AM
.........but they're also raising Lucy Belle Guthrie as she lives with robin and florence in france too!Im confused :help: If Lucy Belle Guthrie is the daughter of Robin and Liz and they were not married then Lucy sould have her mothers maiden name making her Lucy Belle Fraser not Guthrie????and according to Lizs website Lucy lives with her and Damon????
postlibyan
Aug-12-05, 9:14 AM
Im confused :help: If Lucy Belle Guthrie is the daughter of Robin and Liz and they were not married then Lucy sould have her mothers maiden name making her Lucy Belle Fraser not Guthrie???? i dunno how this is in the UK, but in the USA that's just one of many customs. you can pretty much give a child any last name you would like, although if you go for something really wwacky there may be "custody" issues....
PJK
Fritter
Aug-12-05, 10:57 AM
although if you go for something really wwacky there may be "custody" issues....
PJK
So I guess giving my firstborn the name Hitler Bin Laden wasn't such a great idea after all?
daniel-82
Aug-12-05, 10:58 AM
i dunno how this is in the UK, but in the USA that's just one of many customs. you can pretty much give a child any last name you would like, although if you go for something really wwacky there may be "custody" issues....
PJK
Its wierd in the uk cos if a child is born before the parents are married the child only adopts the fathers name after the marriage is complete.Stranger still as my aunt was still pregnant during her wedding my uncle had to sign adoption papers for his own kid,even though it was his.So in effect my cousin was born with her mums maiden name until the adoption was complete.
postlibyan
Aug-12-05, 10:59 AM
So I guess giving my firstborn the name Hitler Bin Laden wasn't such a great idea after all? i suppose that all depneds on who wins the "war on terror" now, doesn't it? i named my daughter "George Bush the Third", so between the two of us, we've got it covered!
PJK
daniel-82
Aug-12-05, 11:00 AM
So I guess giving my firstborn the name Hitler Bin Laden wasn't such a great idea after all?Middle name Stalin Ali by any chance?
Fritter
Aug-12-05, 11:00 AM
i suppose that all depneds on who wins the "war on terror" now, doesn't it? i named my daughter "George Bush the Third", so between the two of us, we've got it covered!
PJK
roflmao first laugh of the day, thanks.
daniel-82
Aug-12-05, 11:01 AM
i suppose that all depneds on who wins the "war on terror" now, doesn't it? i named my daughter "George Bush the Third", so between the two of us, we've got it covered!
PJK
Laughed my arse right off
postlibyan
Aug-12-05, 11:01 AM
Its wierd in the uk cos if a child is born before the parents are married the child only adopts the fathers name after the marriage is complete. not that way here at all. the adults present at the birth decide what name to give the child, and that includes last name. if the woman is unmarried, she can choose to name it after her boyfriend, herself, her mother's maiden name, whatever.....
PJK
postlibyan
Aug-12-05, 11:03 AM
Laughed my arse right off thank you, thank you. i'll be here all week. tip your bartender!
PJK
daniel-82
Aug-12-05, 11:16 AM
thank you, thank you. i'll be here all week. tip your bartender!
PJK
:lmao: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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