THAT 'Evangeline' moment . . .

[simon alexander]

After the recent run of favourite albums/tracks polls, how about voting for y/our favourite moment(s) IN a Cocteau Twins song? One chord, trill, cry or, er, twiddly bit that sends you soaring to the heavens on Guthrie-coloured wings and turns that last bit of hardness in your heart into dewy-eyed bliss!?

For me, it's that peerless transition in 'Evangeline' (3 minutes 42 secs) immediately before the final refrain ('I had to fantasise/Just to survive') where the whole song just shifts onto a kind of higher level and takes your whole soul with it.

Can anyone explain this glorious moment musically? It sounds like a simple key change to my naive ears, but two musicians I know said something quite technical-sounding about a chord progression/overlay jobbie or somesuch.

Just to warn you, I've got one or two more 'Great Cocteaus Moments' where this one came from.

[mmmender]

for me there is nothing like the chord changes in squeeze wax.....most of my friends have no idea what the hell i'm talking about when it gets to that point in the song and i say "everybody sssshhhhhhh!! listen to this.......ah yes!!! YES YES YES!!!" :rolleyes:

[simon alexander]

Those twiddly guitar bits/noises in the background near the climax of 'Those Eyes That Mouth' (also gets my vote for the Cocteaus' most wondrous refrain) as the drum/percussion track goes gorgeously mental.

[mmmender]

i also love the way summerhead just slaps you across the face!!!!!

[Lucibelle]

For years I couldn't listen to the chorus of "Pink Orange Red" without getting chills! :)

[mmmender]

oooooh but then there's the way that liz rolls her "R's" in ups

BBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHANA

[zed]

....the chord changes just before the "fine-a fine's" at the end of
i wear your ring.

*shivvvver*:) :)

Z.ballerina

[Sibian]

The part in Fifty fifty clown where she goes ... " wife angry"
That whole little phrase and the way she sings it and coupled with the music is to me incredible...
There is more ill be back.

[mmmender]

i love the "lissss" sound she makes in alice

i absolutely love simon's bass right at the beginning of violaine

the cascading guitar from heaven or las vegas

[E-Lo]

yummm how I love that oh-so-delicious aquamarine change in melody before the last chorus of orange appled.

[ScottL]

Originally posted by simon alexander
For me, it's that peerless transition in 'Evangeline' (3 minutes 42 secs) immediately before the final refrain ('I had to fantasise/Just to survive') where the whole song just shifts onto a kind of higher level and takes your whole soul with it.

I'm totally with you there! Evangeline is a song that grew on me alot, I like the moment earlier in the song too at 2:36 or so when that distortion guitar line comes in, then the modulation you described indeed takes it to another level. I can't think of any way to describe what is being done musically that makes it so cool, not sure what good it would..its just something you hear for what it is I guess, but it does seem to have an extra guitar part come in over it to flesh it out a bit more, on top of the key modulation.


Other super moments for me would be:
Cherry Coloured Funk about 0:36-0:40 where she ascends with that note while the vocal overdub comes in over that. Part of the reason I got to like the song so much, that moment nailed me at an emotional time and the moment hooked me.

Itchy Glowbo at the 'sprit of life fires me(insert your vocal interpretation here ;) )' part, it always gave me shivers.

I was also thinking of the chorus part coming in on Suckling the Mender

The end of Whales Tails, when it comes back to the original guitar line finally, but adds in a 2nd guitar line over it that always sounded to me, in a vague intuitive sense, like a change in mental perspective, but it always gives me a strange sensation.

The twangy notes opening Bluebeard get me every time, and then her vocal comes in...bliss.

Finally(for now) I was thinking very much before of the part in Great Spangle Fritillary when this very strange chorusy sounding guitar strumming line fades in(from 2:38 to 2:54) as a lead in for the final part where the vocals and bass take it away amidst the guitar layers....ecstacy

[mmmender]

MELONELLA the whole song just crucifies me.

[ScottL]

incidentally, I always thought that was the CT song that the Cranberries most reminded me of...not sure why...

[aprilskies]

the last minute of heaven or las vegas was their (our, for phil) finest hour.

[Phil Lawton]

the last minute of heaven or las vegas was their (our, for phil) finest hour.

April

I don't know (or care, really) why it is I've become the target of your attempts to spread your barbs across the site, but you really are wasting your time.

You may like to check you own posting above to get the level of your ability to communicate with us grown-ups:

"The last minute...was their finest hour".

May I offer my congratulations to you as being the first person I've ever met who's IQ matches his shoe size?

And I'll bet you have such petite, dainty feet.

Thank you.

[aprilskies]

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/1361.gif

so you would disagree with winston churchill when he made his famous speech? "Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."


check & mate

Originally posted by Phil Lawton
May I offer my congratulations to you as being the first person I've ever met who's IQ matches his shoe size

You've met me? Where? When? How? I'll have you know I'm no hooker, and I'll thank you to take that back!:mad:

Also, I'll bet it took more than an hour to create that last minute of the track? Quite a few I'd imagine........................................... .

[Iwan]

I like the "bridge" (for a lack of a better word) between Garlands and Grail Overfloweth... the intro to GO matches the outro to G perfectly and I like Mr. Guthrie's seemingly incoherent crackling guitar playing a lot there.

But also many other fave's... when The Spangle Maker REALLY for instance.

[mattadore]

At 2:54 of Great Spangled Fritillary, the chorus (coda?) kicks in, with lovely multitracked Liz vox... magick!!!

[dprid]

Not really part of 'the song' I suppose, but I've always loved the clock ticking at the end of Pepper Tree.

[Phil Lawton]

You've met me? Where? When? How? I'll have you know I'm no hooker, and I'll thank you to take that back!

I'll make this brief, as these nice people are trying to have a civilized discussion here. Just tell me one thing.

What makes you think that the username "Aprilskies" suits you any more than "Boy With The Thorn In His Side" did?

[aprilskies]

Now you must have me confused with some rent boy, Phil? Like I said, I don't sell my body to make money, so whoever these people you are meeting up with ("boy with the thorn in his side") I can assure you that I was not one of them.

"I'll make this brief, as these nice people are trying to have a civilized discussion here. Just tell me one thing. "

And I believe you started on me, Phil. Your obsession is flattering, but I'm not really interested, sweety.

Now maybe we should leave this and get back to The Cocteau Twins?

;)

[Phil Lawton]

Your bile and vitriol amaze me.

Not as much as I'm amazed that you are a) back in here or b) allowed to stay, when lesser comments to other board members resulted in you being banned previously.

[aprilskies]

eh? give over, phil! you're just as bad! what IS your problem...???? leave me alone please.... end of....

:mad:

i said nothing to you on my return until you mentioned me in that "aprilskies is liz" post... ok, definitely *end of*

[Phil Lawton]

You are so amusing.

I'll leave you alone with great pleasure - I expect the gesture to be reciprocated.

[kookaburra]

I love reciprocation!

[ScottL]

Originally posted by mattadore
At 2:54 of Great Spangled Fritillary, the chorus (coda?) kicks in, with lovely multitracked Liz vox... magick!!!
:)
cool to see others felt that too, it was possibly one of my top moments I can recall..

[kookaburra]

The last few bars of Melonella. Remember the colored crepe paper, Leesa?

[simon alexander]

Originally posted by mmmender
MELONELLA the whole song just crucifies me.

Sorry leesa, but that's cheating.

You have to pick a moment not a whole song in this thread!;-)

[mattadore]

Originally posted by ScottL

:)
cool to see others felt that too, it was possibly one of my top moments I can recall.. :clap:

[Adam]

i've downloaded evangeline video via Soulseek, it's quite good quality, and... maybe i'm wrong, but i've noticed, that liz sang something before SORROW... something like DON'T...... Check it out

[mmmender]

Originally posted by simon alexander


Sorry leesa, but that's cheating.

You have to pick a moment not a whole song in this thread!;-)

well ok........but that song is just perfect so it's hard to pick just one moment......but if i have to.......i'll say it's the little "wow" she says right at the very end of the song! :)

[watchlar]

i always thought it was DON'T SETTLE...for letting someone else...define you...know etc etc etc

that's just my take

[Colin]

One moment??? If you insist, please read only one of the following:

1) I love the bah-bah-bah-bah-bah. . . in the final 20 seconds of Multifoiled because it is so out-of-character. Out of nowhere it's a Liz-joins-the-Rockettes moment. Reminds me of a recent thread where members thought how awful Liz doo-wop vocals would be. It's a priceless moment -- a totally unconventional singer plays with a tired convention and gives me chills in the process.

2) The "claps" in Tinderbox-- especially around the 4:00 mark. I generally associate electro-claps as clean & sparkly accents of disco tunes, but here Robin redefines them in the muddy, murky swirl of a dark strip-tease tune.

BTW, Robin is so lauded for his guitar work, but for me its the drum machine and other percussion that defined CT, especially early. Their cold muscle and irregular breaks in rhythm speak to the whole of my emotional life!!

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by Colin
Reminds me of a recent thread where members thought how awful Liz doo-wop vocals would be.

Have you never heard WP's Respect?

[Brett]

erm,
(cough)
I really don't like Evangeline
:toilet:

Soz

[simon alexander]

Originally posted by mmmender


well ok........but that song is just perfect so it's hard to pick just one moment......but if i have to.......i'll say it's the little "wow" she says right at the very end of the song! :)

Which also reminds me of that 'pheeew' she breathes at the end of a TV recording of 'Half Gifts' . . . amazing also for the fact that she doesn't open her eyes once all the way through it

[zed]

......the tiny, barely there, "thank you " at the end of song for the siren on the black sessions disc. gaawwd!! melting time.

the growl she lets lose with in pandora also on the b. s.

time for the old wheelchair bubba.

Z.:eek: shiver me timbers!

[simon alexander]

Ok, this is a stretch, but the lovely young womanly barely audible throat clearing moment at the end of Sixteen Days/Gathering Dust.

That EP is still one of TMC's most enduring and oft-played dark little glories for me.

[simon alexander]

Originally posted by Brett
erm,
(cough)
I really don't like Evangeline
:toilet:

Soz

Banish him to the Ninth Circle of Dante's Inferno!

[zed]

........well, i'll join him then,.......evangeline is the only ct song i just CAN'T listen to.

Z. flush when ready...........

ballerina

[Musette]

Hee. I don't like "Evangeline", either.

Does the toilet lead straight to the 9th circle, or do I get the scenic tour of the river Styx along the way?

Juliet out.

[Brett]

Originally posted by simon alexander


Banish him to the Ninth Circle of Dante's Inferno!

"When you say
Now we got Hell to pay
Don't worry, baby, that's okay
I know the boss"

(Afghan Whigs, Going to town)

Yeah, I know that motherfucker!

[ScottL]

The comments here spurred some general thoughts I'd been having for some time(this is not in specific response to any of the comments here though), so I decided to share....While there are some CT songs I don't care to listen to...I'm happy to say I can now listen to any and all of them, at times with some interest. Summerblink was one I believed I couldn't, I still don't think much of it, not very inspirational, but even that I can listen to and enjoy the guitar layers and a few of the sounds Liz makes...Tishbite is still quite borderline in making me want to shut it off...but I found a way to open my mind a little and listen past what I already know I didn't like...

I do that more these days than I used to years ago, when I seemed to be caught up in the emotional identity factor(coupled with who or what I liked in music). Granted I'd love to have new different music to hear all the time that satisfied every facet of music I am into, but failing that, I find more moments and such that I pick up listening to music that lends to mental stimulation in one facet while not in others.

Not that anyone here likely cares, but I am starting to see it as related to listening to things I may not wholly like, but(quite importantly) have some aspect I do...thus ruling out wasing any time on the likes of Creed, Godsmack, B.Spears, etc...you name it for any of those pathetic paper tigers...some music is so thin it easy to hear right up front that it has nothing to offer...other things which have something interesting to offer along with something I don't like may require a bit of sampling before I find I'm done with it or like it on occasion etc....I do find it fascinating what an ever changing landscape musical experience can be.

[etc etc]

It's nice to know we all aren't clones...I go on record as one who LOVES Evangaline...For me the guitar parts (clean ones, trippy background panned multitap ones and the harmonized lead ones prior to the painfully beautiful pause before the killer drumfill that brings it back in to "there is no going back...." that's the moment..that pause and the trippy feedbacky guitar and the drum fill..then Liz coming back in...then the outro..ahhhh, it works for me)...they sure left us one beautiful body of work. Somedays I feel we have all been given a Garden of Eden from them, Mmmmender is the groundskeeper, and we all show up like multiple Adam and Eve's to debate over one tree or another in the garden, yes and we do taste the forbidden fruit from time to time, incurring the possible rath of the triumvirate God's...S,R&L....

[Lucibelle]

Evangeline has kind of become a life-theme for me. Every time I'm going through any kind of change, it starts swimming in my head, "There is no going back. I can't stop feeling now. I am not the same, I'm growing up again."

:)

[Brett]

Two things,
1). I'm really pleased this environment allows for such reasonable sharing of ideas.

2). I like Scotts points about listening afresh and really investing part of yourself in the experience to reap the rewards. It's true. Think of how many of your other favourite albums or tracks were ones you initially disliked. But the flip side of this is...how often would we afford such a luxury of a 2nd, 3rd, nth chance to an artist we don't love. Can Scotts re-evaluation be put down to the 'horns and halo' effect? ie we love the CT's so much we're actively searching for things to admire? If it were me I wouldn't give Whitney Houston a second spin 'just in case' she stops being a screeching, headache-inducing assault on my senses.

I love music. I mean really love it. I obsess about it really. I guess I'm no different to all of you, right? What I love the most are those moments when your blood freezes and you can feel every cell on your skin. Something like Donimo (and many others) did this to me the first time I heard it and still does ever since. It's these moments that make me search search search for other goosebumping moments of music. Evangeline does not provide this for me. That's just me. I'm the one missing out in this respect. I just thought it was worth dwelling a little on the contrast between the slow burners and the instant ones. :)

I like both! ;)

[mborum]

There are too many of these moments for me to even begin to list them. Doesn't every Cocteau Twins song conspire to break your heart or blow your mind at some point during those few minutes?

Let's see how many I can think of, in no particular order:

1. The opening of "Sugar Hiccup"
2. The part of "Feathers Oar Blades" where Liz sings "Na na na na na na naaaaahhhh" or something
3. The beginning and ending parts of "Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops"
4. The chorus of "Ivo"
5. The part in "Lorelei" where Liz sings something that sounds like "without a doubt" over and over again
5. The part in "Donimo" when the the music explodes and cascades into sounds that only CT could ever make
6. The finale of "Aikea-Guinea"
7. The drums in "Kookaburra"
8. The guitar in "Pink Orange Red"
9. Those vocals on "Great Spangled Fritillary"
10. The last minute or so of "Those Eyes, That Mouth"
11. The opening part of "Sigh's Smell of Farewell"
12. The first 30 seconds of "Sea, Swallow Me"
13. That guitar sound on Victorialand that sounds like crystals sliding against one another
14. The instrumental part at the end of "Crushed," and Liz's exhaltant singing in that song
15. The last minute of "Blue Bell Knoll"
16. "Carolyn's Fingers," from beginning to end!
17. Liz's ingenius vocal weavings on "Suckling the Mender"--especially that really high note and the descending notes that follow, and the way they perfectly interlock with the other vocal tracks
18. The percussive refrain in "Iceblink Luck"
19. The opening bars and first verse of "Mizake the Mizan"
20. The guitar on "Heaven or Las Vegas" and the last verse
21. The last minute or so of "I Wear Your Ring"
22. The guitar on "Fotzepolitic" all the way through
23. The guitar solo on "Pur"
24. The chorus of "Summerhead"
25. The part in "Tishbite" when Liz belts out "This mountain of pleasure..."
26. The change in "Serpentskirt," about 2/3 of the way through
27. The guitar solo on "Violaine"
28. The last two minutes of "Treasure Hiding"
29. The beginning of "Seekers Who Are Lovers," and when Liz sings something like, "and so send Lucifer into Hell"

Michael

[etc etc]

Michael, could you be a little more specific? ;)

[Musette]

The thematic turning point of "Spangle Maker".

[mmmender]

it has to be said..........am i the only one on this fine planet who thinks that sugar hiccup and pearly dewdrops' drops sound like the same fuggin' songs? ......i quite dislike both tracks - they are always skipped!

[Musette]

"Sugar Hiccup" makes me break out in hives.

I have the Head Over Heels/Sunburst and Snowblind double CD, too, so I have to skip over the damn thing *twice*.

"Pearly Dewdrops'..." is more bearable, to me, but I can see how you'd place them in the same category - both songs draaaaaaaaaaag. I just like "Dewdrops'" melody better, is all.

It's not on my dream playlist, though - that's for sure.

[zed]

...i could live without sugar hiccup quite easiely, but i rather like pearly,.......i have a VERY nice video of it in my head. more'n likely has NOTHING to do with the song its self, but i like it!

i guess it's because it's one of the first songs by them that got serious airtime back then. you know, "the good old days."
whatever they were. or WHENever.

Michael.......i know what you mean! soo many "good bits!"

Z.

[Phil Lawton]

"Sugar Hiccup" and "Circling Girl" always seemed to me to be from the same session of apple bobbing, even though they're from different eras.

Similarly, I always want to burst into "Catch A Falling Star (And Put It In Your Pocket)" during the guitar refrain of "Sigh's Smell Of Farewell."

Sorry if I've just ruined that song for you forever.

[aprilskies]

shuuuush, don't you people realise that Robin Guthrie posts here?

[iceblink555]

Originally posted by mmmender
it has to be said..........am i the only one on this fine planet who thinks that sugar hiccup and pearly dewdrops' drops sound like the same fuggin' songs? ......i quite dislike both tracks - they are always skipped!

Pearly is certainly one of the easiest songs for me to skip over. Got moooore than enough of that tune when I played my Pink Opaque cassette to death in those early (for me) CT years.

Sugar Hiccup has held up a bit better, but I won't object (or probably even notice) if you leave it out at CTfest, in case that's what you're *really* tryin' to determine here. ;-)

--Alan

[kookaburra]

I have vowed to love Pearly-dewdrops' Drops 'til death do us part: it is the sound of pure exaltation resounding.

[ezzydynamine]

Sugar Hiccup really is more like HOLV.... Now i love both, but the guitar compositions are too similar....


Pearly is alright i guess, must be good getting a High chart positio... no seriously it is alright, i just skip "The Spangle Maker" EP altogether....



Sounds for me would definately be the Evangeline bit at the end.... mostly I just skip to that bit and listen to it about 10secs before the change... IT IS PURE SOUND!

Always like the sound of Primitive Heart.... especially the high bits at the end...


The last bit of Thoses Eyes that Mouth... just after the "Now We are Angels" bit, before she combines the two... like a "whailing sound" nearly....

The indian-esque cascades of "The High Monkey Monk" WHAO!


x

[ScottL]

Originally posted by erinn
Sugar Hiccup really is more like HOLV.... Now i love both, but the guitar compositions are too similar....
x

Yeah, either it was too obvious to mention or no one thought of saying it, but that's the first time I've heard someone else mention it and I had thought so from the beginning, certainly the opening chord anyway. I like both sorta soso, same w/drops...I like the way the bass and guitar work together without a doubt.

And yes, the vocals in HMM are astounding, amazing and fluid, gives me chills every time

[Brien]

the start of 'circling girl' on volume 15.
the piano in 'sea, swallow me' then when liz comes in.
the change in both 'evangeline' & 'i wear your ring'.
the very start of 'fotzepolitic' on the remaster.
there are so many! so many i love!
this is a good thread!

[simon alexander]

The palpable trouble with 'Hiccup' and 'Dewdrops' is that, for some of you, over-familiarity has bred a lamentable contempt.
Both are important, ground-breaking, music-redefining moments in the Cocteaus' shimmering career. I will create a scene at cocteaufest if sinister forces in the background exclude either from the playlist.

And 'Dewdrops' nearly got the Cocteaus onto Top of the Pops - what an occasion that would have been! Would a balloon have bounced off Robin's guitar? Would Liz have worn glitter on her face? Might a pepper tree have swayed along in the background? Alas -we shall never know. Thank the gods for that Tube appearance.

(And has there ever been a better putdown of TOTP than Liz's incredulous whisper: 'can you imagine miming to your own fucking song?')

[Musette]

It's not over-familiarity at all, in the case of "Sugar Hiccup"!

I just don't like it - never, ever have. Honestly, I really love Head Over Heels, otherwise, so I don't see what the big deal is.

If you want something to "lament", think about how relatively few people have heard of CT in the first place.

Now *that's* sad.

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by Musette
...think about how relatively few people have heard of CT in the first place.

Now *that's* sad.

Why?

[Musette]

I wonder if and how our opinions of the CTs' work would change if their music had reached more ears.

I'm not suggesting anything dramatic or sinister here - I just wonder. Most of the bands I listen to have never seen top-40 airplay, so it would be a whole new attitude for me, at least.....

[kookaburra]

But who is or should be sad?

[Musette]

I am personally sad that a band as "influential" as the Cocteau Twins were not given a chance to do more "influencing".

I mean, not in a Madonna way. In a Mozart way.

Maybe I could turn on the damn radio once in a while without feeling the urge to shoot it.

[kookaburra]

Or perhaps you could just not turn on the radio.

[Musette]

Right, but....what would be the harm in finding better music there?

[Phil Lawton]

Kooky

Have you been ingesting huge amounts of sugar over the weekend?

[kookaburra]

Yes.

[kookaburra]

But, my dear friend, this does not mean that I am incapable of recognizing a complete lack of logic in a sequence of statements.

[Musette]

Lack of logic? I don't know what you're talking about!

I'm only saying that I think the Cocteau Twins should have received airplay in measure with their talent.

Why are you jumping all over me?

[Musette]

Or is it just that you don't agree with me about "Sugar Hiccup"? :)

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by Musette
Why are you jumping all over me?

I'm not at all.

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by Musette
Or is it just that you don't agree with me about "Sugar Hiccup"? :)

Case in point.

[Musette]

What are you getting at, then?

I wish more people had heard of this wonderful band, and I think it's sad that more have not. I don't think I said anything illogical or inflammatory, considering the cult status of this band.

[kookaburra]

I simply asked why it was sad that "relatively few people have heard of CT in the first place".

You still haven't even come close to answering.

[Musette]

Is it just that what I am saying is so basic that you don't grasp it because you are looking for something more profound?

This is beautiful music, revelatory.

It's sad, to me, that more people who truly love music don't listen to it, because they don't know about it.

It's sad, to me, that popular music is so awful.

What more do you want?

[kookaburra]

OK. Now that I know who is sad (i.e., you), who are you sad for?

[Musette]

I am sad for myself that popular music is not better.

I am sad for others that they do not know of so many bands with current "cult" status.

I do not think that any of this was opaque in the beginning of this thread, but I apologise from the bottom of my black little heart if it was.

[kookaburra]

Gee. Sorry you're so sad about something so beautiful.

[Musette]

I wouldn't have called anything "sad" at all, by the way, had it not been intimated earlier that my dislike of "Sugar Hiccup" was "lamentable".

For a moment, I was wondering if that had been your initial problem with my post.

[Musette]

Originally posted by kookaburra
Gee. Sorry you're so sad about something so beautiful.

Assuming, of course, that by the word "beautiful" you mean the Cocteau Twins' music, and not top 40 radio, don't you ever wish you could find something good to listen to on the radio?

Ever?

You're not, by the way, saying that the cult status of the Cocteau Twins' music is beautiful, are you? Please don't tell me you are.

[kookaburra]

I have no problem with your post. I was merely trying to figure out why something such would make you sad.

As a positive example to you (perhaps), I should say that I would have no reason to find it either sad or lamentable that you should dislike Sugar Hiccup. I rejoice in your individuality and in your privilege to develop your tastes as you will.

It's too bad, though, that your choice in music leads to your being sad.

[Musette]

My choice in music doesn't make me sad at all (although, on an unrelated note, I do listen to music that makes me sad)! Don't be sorry. :)

Other people make me sad! It's all their fault and none of mine, you see. :) :) :)

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by Musette
Assuming, of course, that by the word "beautiful" you mean the Cocteau Twins' music...

Yes.

don't you ever wish you could find something good to listen to on the radio?

No.

You're not, by the way, saying that the cult status of the Cocteau Twins' music is beautiful, are you? Please don't tell me you are.

Neither here nor there.

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by Musette
Other people make me sad!

By not listening to Cocteau Twins?

[Musette]

OK, then the same things just don't make you sad. Naturally.

I don't see what, about that, makes my post illogical - I mean, in comparison to what normally gets posted on fan-boards. ;)

I will refrain, in the future, from saying things like "it is sad that...", though, and will jump straight to "I am sad that, although you by no means need to agree with me,......"

:)

[Musette]

Originally posted by kookaburra


By not listening to Cocteau Twins?

OK. That *was* a joke. I'll print all irony in blue from now on, too.

[kookaburra]

I was just asking.

[Musette]

Well, then I was just saying. :)

[kookaburra]

How is this statement ironic?

[Musette]

I'm sorry. Irony in blue, a jesting statement in crimson. I will try to refrain from being remiss in the future.

[Musette]

You take everything I say so literally! Like before, when you thought I didn't know about Dante's muse!

I am really not that much of an idiot?

roflmao

[kookaburra]

Wait a minute...so you won't really try to refrain from being remiss in the future?

Dante's muse? Beatrice?

[Musette]

Probably not, no - I mean, it's not like anything I said today was a big-deal deep thought. :)

[Musette]

Never mind about Beatrice.

It's either that nothing I say is funny and you are the only one who calls me on it, or you just don't agree with my idea of humour.

Either way, it's not worth continuing this thread?

Sorry to waste your hour.

[kookaburra]

I just don't remember ever discussing Beatrice with anyone--though she would only be a muse in a metaphorical sense.

[Musette]

See?! I was so unfunny you don't even remember! :)

[kookaburra]

You poor girl. If we go on like this, I'm going to be sad for you as well.

[Musette]

I was just thinking the same of you. We need to talk about bunnies or something. :)

Or butterflies.

[kookaburra]

But I'm not sad at all.

Anyhow, do you like my temporary avatar?

[kookaburra]

Oh, Musette! I sought and found our brief discussion of muses--metaphorical muses. I still don't get the joke you were making, but no matter, as my temporary avatar is indeed striking.

[Musette]

As I said, my joke was unfunny perhaps, but a joke all the same......

......however, the beauty of your temporary avatar is no joke at all.

[kookaburra]

I thank you.

[ScottL]

http://www.mid-west.net/~slillis/melonella.jpg

[kookaburra]

Is that a dead butterfly or a dead moth?

[ScottL]

not sure, I liked the pattern though
but these seem to be
http://www.mid-west.net/~slillis/melonella2.jpg

http://www.mid-west.net/~slillis/melonella3.jpg

[Phil Lawton]

Looks like a moth to me.

But what do I know? I am one who delights in the treasures that entymology brings, without knowing what the details are.

The same could be said for thermo-nuclear dynamics.

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by Phil Lawton
Looks like a moth to me.

Thanks for picking up on that, Phil.

[zed]

........it is indeed a moth. if you want particulars let me know.

the rest are butterflies.

throw money.

Z,......who is off to the studio,.....my muse has been uppity lately.
she needs disapline.

[ScottL]

Originally posted by zed
........it is indeed a moth. if you want particulars let me know.

Indeed I would, I was curious about all of them and was hoping some nice person would pop in and provide some info, thanks, do you know which kinds of butterflies the others are? I saw them all yesterday and took pictures of them, liking the colors.

[stratton]

Originally posted by mmmender
for me there is nothing like the chord changes in squeeze wax.....

i LOVE the chord change in squeeze wax...it's my second favorite moment on 4CC...the first being that brilliant guitar solo by robin in pur...chills, that's all i can say...

stratton

[Musette]

Butterfly collecting seems so macabre to me!

There's some kind of weird ad here in the states which features some little girl who's all into entymology. And she talks about the insects as if they're her friends.

But they're dead! And I think she may have been their murderess!

:)

[Phil Lawton]

Muse

I'm with you there, doll.

Anyone who collects dead things (moths, butterflies or, in Joan Collins' case, husbands) must be just a little odd.

To me, it's one step from torturing animals and that, as we now know in the light of Mrs Dharma's little lad Geoffrey, can lead to yet more harrowing behaviour.

[iceblink555]

Originally posted by simon alexander
The palpable trouble with 'Hiccup' and 'Dewdrops' is that, for some of you, over-familiarity has bred a lamentable contempt.
Both are important, ground-breaking, music-redefining moments in the Cocteaus' shimmering career. I will create a scene at cocteaufest if sinister forces in the background exclude either from the playlist.

And 'Dewdrops' nearly got the Cocteaus onto Top of the Pops - what an occasion that would have been! Would a balloon have bounced off Robin's guitar? Would Liz have worn glitter on her face? Might a pepper tree have swayed along in the background? Alas -we shall never know. Thank the gods for that Tube appearance.

(And has there ever been a better putdown of TOTP than Liz's incredulous whisper: 'can you imagine miming to your own fucking song?')

At least for me, I don't think it's just a case of familiarity breeding contempt. Everything else on Pink Opaque (except Aikea Guinea) has held up quite well. And I can still readily listen to all of the Love's Easy Tears EP, which I also played to death in the late 80's.

There's no denying that songs like Pearly served a purpose... I just don't really care to play them much anymore.

--Alan

[Musette]

Originally posted by iceblink555


At least for me, I don't think it's just a case of familiarity breeding contempt. Everything else on Pink Opaque (except Aikea Guinea) has held up quite well. And I can still readily listen to all of the Love's Easy Tears EP, which I also played to death in the late 80's.

There's no denying that songs like Pearly served a purpose... I just don't really care to play them much anymore.

--Alan

I can't believe "Pearly Dewdrops'" and "Spangle Maker" were of the same era, actually. They seem to be from two different planets.......and I guess I'd much rather live on that of the latter.

I loooooooooove "Spangle Maker"......

[robin guthrie]

I always kinda liked that bit in cico buff that goes into the guitar solo...

[ScottL]

Originally posted by Phil Lawton
Muse

I'm with you there, doll.

Anyone who collects dead things (moths, butterflies or, in Joan Collins' case, husbands) must be just a little odd.

To me, it's one step from torturing animals and that, as we now know in the light of Mrs Dharma's little lad Geoffrey, can lead to yet more harrowing behaviour.

hehe...yeah, I know, collecting stuff like that is kinda strange to me, but then I'm not much in to collecting anything...just thought I'd add there were tons those butterflies and moths around where I was at(east kansas prairie) yesterday when I snapped the shots...so dead ones were all over and easier to photo w/light conditions and all...I don't know much about them, but like you Phil, I rather enjoy the wealth of colorful patterns, live or dead for that matter...the closeups too...which seems a better point of my camera...anyway, sorry for contributing to the thread diversion...back to more CT moments, which I was quite enjoying...

[ScottL]

Originally posted by robin guthrie
I always kinda liked that bit in cico buff that goes into the guitar solo...

Yeah, that moment seemed to work well live by the way, also . the way Liz came back in after it...wish I coulda been there...

[robin guthrie]

scott, I'm sure I passed by kansas city to enterain y'all
OK so maybe metallica were there too, but they're nice boys from nice families and if you'd just joined in the fun of throwing lots of mud at liz and simon (I was spotless, I have to add, probably due to my ozzyness) I'm sure you would have had fun too....
ps.. do they put something in the water there or what?
ps.. in real life metallica are only just over 3 feet tall.......

[andylama]

Originally posted by robin guthrie
ps.. in real life metallica are only just over 3 feet tall...

I KNEW it! I bloody knew it! Explains a few things, eh?

[ScottL]

Originally posted by robin guthrie
ps.. do they put something in the water there or what?

probably so, but I'll be leaving for Colorado before too long

as for when you came through, I unfortunately didn't know of CT...and for the earlier years I was a bit young anyway....

but if VI were to come to this part of the country, I could see them picking somewhere in Lawrence, Kansas before Kansas City...

[iceblink555]

Originally posted by robin guthrie
scott, I'm sure I passed by kansas city to enterain y'all
OK so maybe metallica were there too, but they're nice boys from nice families and if you'd just joined in the fun of throwing lots of mud at liz and simon (I was spotless, I have to add, probably due to my ozzyness) I'm sure you would have had fun too....
ps.. do they put something in the water there or what?
ps.. in real life metallica are only just over 3 feet tall.......

Robin, was that in '96, when you guys played at Lollapalooza? I remember reading with disgust about that mud-throwing incident.

--Alan