What others have said about Cocteau Twins [Archive]

Frank

Apr-7-09, 2:24 PM

First off, sorry if this has been covered before. Did a quick search and I couldn't find anything. Anyway, after reading about Morrissey's bitchy comments (http://www.cocteautwinsforums.com/showthread.php5?t=6793) regarding the Twins, I thought it would be interesting to have a thread on what other bands/musicians/artists have said about the band.

Here are a couple I've seen, both very positive:

Deborah Harry (of Blondie) - Chose "Iceblink Luck" as a track on her iTunes celebrity playlist, saying "Gorgeous soaring vocals that carry you away layered over a rich atmospheric sound. A magnificent track."

"Panda Bear" of Animal Collective - Chose "Know Who You are at Every Age" as one of his five favorite songs (http://marchonelectricchildren.blogspot.com/2008/08/5-songs-with-animal-collective.html), saying "We (Animal Collective) heard this song maybe 5 times while we were in Athens, Georgia and I spent a little bit identifying who it was because I don't think I'd heard it before. I know the Treasure record well but not much else I should say. I really like her voice and the way she sings and all the trilly and warped things she does although not so much on this jam."

Who else?

davespear

Apr-7-09, 2:35 PM

I don't know of past or current opinion, but I'd be interested to see any that are posted here:nod:

Frank

Apr-7-09, 2:38 PM

Just found this, too:

Prince apparently was/is a big fan, according to this thread (http://prince.org/msg/8/87984) on a Prince fan forum.

fredofla

Apr-7-09, 8:19 PM

supposedly Madonna is/was a CT fan. there's an interview with her supporting this fact somewhere.....but dammmmm if i know where.

lol.

edward

Apr-7-09, 8:24 PM

Just recently there was a post/thread about how Antony has been singing Liz's praises and citing Twinlights as an inspiration for the new Antony and the Johnsons record.

edward

Apr-7-09, 8:27 PM

Here it is. Originally posted by Riako:

antony mentions liz as an inspiration in this interview with the guardian

"Elizabeth Fraser is the secret mother of the whole thing," he says. "The last Cocteau Twins record in 1996 was an EP called Twinlights and its last words were 'I still care about this planet, I still feel connected to nature and to my dreams for myself, I have my friends, my family, I have myself, I still have me.' And when I heard that I cried so much and changed my whole approach. I thought, 'OK, that's the most revolutionary thing a person could do – to hope.' That's how culture works. There's a harbinger 10 years earlier, then a whole crop comes up 10 years later."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009...d-the-johnsons

Frank

Apr-8-09, 10:19 AM

Great quote from Antony, thanks for finding it. I can definitely hear the influence.

I always hear the Madonna thing, but I can't find any interviews where she said anything. Not a huge fan of her, but at least she has (had?) good taste.

randomrob

Apr-8-09, 11:59 AM

Raffi's 'Tingalayo' was allegedly inspired by Liz's vocal stylings.

Frank

Apr-8-09, 12:14 PM

Raffi's 'Tingalayo' was allegedly inspired by Liz's vocal stylings.

Is that the kiddie song about a donkey? You know, everything about that screams "Cocteau Twins.":lmao:

Frank

Apr-8-09, 12:42 PM

Stuart Murdoch from Belle and Sebastian - Chose Victorialand as number two on his list (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,1241217,00.html) of top ten favorite albums:

"More seduction, the Cocteaus have gone up and up in my estimation since the time I actually listened to music. So much else has fallen behind. I like this LP so much that Victorialand has become one of my favourite words. Listening to this LP I waved goodbye to school, to work, to every day ambitions."

Makes me happy. I love me some B&S.

DJ SMITHMIX

Apr-9-09, 12:56 AM

We all know "Siouxsie Sioux" thinks CT are CRAP!
I love that girl, but after reading her contempt for our
goddess, she would certainly get a sneer from me upon our meeting!
How dare she!
IMHO her latest solo effort "Manaray" was nothing great!
I'm sure when Liz's solo LP finally comes out, it will be much more
interesting that Ms. Sioux!!! Let's just hope Liz's doesn't take as long as
she did to release her first solo record! Over 20 years?
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NP: This Mortal Broadcast Mix

thoughtstv

Apr-9-09, 1:21 AM

O, siouxsie? Please... she is the sucky one.

Frank

Apr-9-09, 10:55 AM

What specifically has Siouxsie said about CT/Liz? Love the Banshees and I've found usually CT fans are also Siouxsie fans, so it's weird that she'd be down on them. She does tend to have a big mouth like Morrissey, though.

Frank

Apr-9-09, 11:01 AM

Oh, another one:

Shirley Manson of Garbage is a huge CT fan as discussed in this (http://www.time.com/time/musicgoesglobal/europe/mmanson.html) interview. Here's the excerpt:

Q: I remember when I was in college in the mid-80's, two of the more exciting bands were Cocteau Twins and the Jesus & Mary Chain.

A: Absolutely. Two of my favorite all-time bands, ever. They're Scottish. Whenever I meet people, the hairs on the back of my neck bristle when people say "oh Scotland, that's Simple Minds and Big Country!" I say "NO, that's Orange Juice, that's Cocteau Twins, that's the Jesus & Mary Chain, that's Primal Scream!" I think there's a lot of great things that have come out of Scotland.

hebe

Apr-9-09, 6:39 PM

We all know "Siouxsie Sioux" thinks CT are CRAP!
I love that girl, but after reading her contempt for our
goddess, she would certainly get a sneer from me upon our meeting!
How dare she!
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NP: This Mortal Broadcast Mix

is it true??? god, is really surprize for me... but I agree: how dare she????:ignore:

edward

Apr-10-09, 6:36 AM

fornasetti

Apr-10-09, 9:27 AM

randomrob

Apr-10-09, 9:40 AM

:crying:

fredofla

Apr-10-09, 11:50 AM

From an article written back in 1991...

Robert Plant went through a phase of raving about them in every interview he did. Liz doesn't tell me about the time she introduced herself to him, but Robin does. They had gone to see Echo & the Bunnymen. Liz, who was a little tipsy, spotted Robert Plant at the bar and tapped him on the shoulder.

"Excuse me," she said. "I read that you really like the Cocteau Twins."

"Yeah," the mousy-maned ex-sex god grunted. "I like them. Do you like them?"

Mortified, she muttered her assent and slunk away.

great story.

from her interviews, i always imagined Elizabeth would be more ballsy in this kind of situation.....you know, like say "fuck you" to him or something. obviously, she must have been REALLY awestruck in his presence.....most deservedly.

dprid

Apr-10-09, 4:57 PM

That's what you get for not putting your photo on the record sleeve :)

Musette

Apr-10-09, 5:21 PM

I was going to say something similar. This was pre-internet, mostly, and you really wouldn't expect that face to go with that voice. Not to say that 1991 Liz wasn't one of my favorite looks for her, because it was (I liked 1986's spiky alien look, too)...it's just that it's not something you'd expect.

randomrob

Apr-10-09, 9:59 PM

I remember when I saw that Melody Maker cover photo of her from 85 (the 'fishtank' pic) that she looked exactly like I expected her to.

DJ SMITHMIX

Apr-11-09, 12:12 AM

I :heart: Siouxsie. I wonder if her feelings about CT come from the time when Garlands came out and they were continually likened to the Banshees. The comparison no doubt caused distress to both parties.

Ms. Sioux said somthing along the lines of how pretentious Liz was with her vocals and how lame the music was. And yes, she didn't like the constant comparisons between the CT and the Banshees. Anyone else remember her talking about this?
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NP: Tracey Thorn/ETBTG Remixes 2008

edward

Apr-11-09, 12:17 AM

Lame music? That's pretty rich for someone who was involved with Superstition and The Rapture. ;)

bearclaw

Apr-11-09, 5:53 AM

Lame music? That's pretty rich for someone who was involved with Superstition and The Rapture. ;)

as much as it urks me i have to agree those last two banshees albums are VERY patchy

as it has already been said i think siouxsie was probably reacting to stupid lazy music hacks than actually slagging off Ct

i myself have listened to early banshees & ct for years and i've never been able to hear the so called copying by either artist frankly its just lazy music hack bullshit as far as i can tell

on a slight side note i was gutted when i read the goth edition of nme the reviews for pretty much everything apart from treasure are aweful some even quite spiteful

wip

Apr-11-09, 7:09 AM

i posted a few years ago on a cocteau twins forum an audio interview with Perry Farrell (porno for pyros, jane's addiction) raving about Cocteau Twins. they were named as one of his top 5 bands of all time.
i'm afraid i can't find that link again.

bearclaw

Apr-11-09, 7:34 AM

would be cool to hear that ;-)

Ghosty

Apr-11-09, 7:47 AM

From Prince.org forums:
Spin in particular held an interview with Perry Farrell around the time of his 1st album. He said that all modern women in rock are influenced by two women: Elisabeth Fraser and Rickie Lee Jones.
That's all i can find.

spangled

Apr-11-09, 12:57 PM

I have a vinyl 3 LP bootleg of Prince when he took over a radio station somewhere for a day and played "Carolyn's Fingers" as well as some Kate Bush.

Frank

Apr-13-09, 12:19 PM

Lame music? That's pretty rich for someone who was involved with Superstition and The Rapture. ;)

Call me crazy, but I LOVE those records. I'll take them over "The Scream" and "Join Hands" any day. I love poppy Banshees. That said, you have a point. Hopefully she was just ticked off by the comparisons and didn't really think CT were crap, because I automatically lose a bit of respect for anyone who thinks CT are crap. :nod:

Thackeray

Apr-13-09, 12:55 PM

Alright, I'm voting all my stars on this thread.

DJ SMITHMIX

Apr-13-09, 3:20 PM

Call me crazy, but I LOVE those records. I'll take them over "The Scream" and "Join Hands" any day. I love poppy Banshees. That said, you have a point. Hopefully she was just ticked off by the comparisons and didn't really think CT were crap, because I automatically lose a bit of respect for anyone who thinks CT are crap. :nod:

Ms. Sioux really does not like CT. A friend of mine interviewed her once, and they were talking about "80's goth groups and she said CT are crap! It was 10 years ago or so, but she in contempt of our beloved Twins! You notice they have never both been on the same bill before? She's also lost my respect with that comment!
WHO WOULD DARE!
As Mink Stole would say... "I could have ripped her lips off"! (Peggy Gravel
from "Desperate Living)
:slapfight:
Whatever, Little Ms. Goth Goddess!!
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NP: Edie Sedgwick - The Caio Manhatten Tapes:heart:

andylama

Apr-13-09, 3:40 PM

S&tB were pretty important in my early musical life (Hyaena is a masterpiece), but I'm not into the whole cult-of-personality thing. That is to say: I like Siouxsie's music, but she personally can so suck an exhaust pipe as far as I'm concerned.

Darling, the whole "Cher image" thing is so not working for you.

Frank

Apr-13-09, 3:55 PM

Agreed. I will forever love Siouxsie's music and try not to care what comes out of her mouth when she's not singing. Though I do have to give her a few points for once praising new wave ice queen Cristina and her bizarre Christmas song, "Things Fall Apart," in a TV interview.

And I have to give her some more credit for this supposed gem from a few years ago:

"Recently at a private party for Deborah Harry, Paris Hilton was busy blabbing away on her cell phone. Siouxsie became annoyed during the toasts and snapped, 'Turn off that fucking cell phone, you spoiled rotten little brat! This is not about you!'

Paris was noticeably embarrassed and hoofed it out of the place. On her way out Siouxsie threw one last dagger, 'Who invited that silly cow anyway?'

andylama

Apr-13-09, 3:59 PM

She's vicious, but I can respect a well-deserved jab like that.

randomrob

Apr-13-09, 4:12 PM

hahaha good one

fredofla

Apr-13-09, 7:05 PM

perhaps it was the booze talking?

Ms. Sioux does sound greatly in need of something to kill the bug up her ass.

Paris Hilton is way too easy a target.

andylama

Apr-13-09, 7:55 PM

Haha, Fred, as always, the voice of reason and moderation.

You are correct, sir.

Ankas

Apr-13-09, 8:54 PM

I heard that the guitarrist of Metallica is a CT's fan. (sorry my bad english) :nod:

randomrob

Apr-13-09, 9:12 PM

and another quarter heard from........ :crying:
http://www.hpforums.net/music/15872-cocteau-twins.html

fredofla

Apr-14-09, 12:08 AM

and another quarter heard from........ :crying:
http://www.hpforums.net/music/15872-cocteau-twins.html

holy witches, goblins & yes HARRY POTTER!

woe is CT.

....there's just no escaping ye olde goth connection.

all those floral patterns in Germany for naught!

:lol:

Thackeray

Apr-14-09, 1:28 AM

holy witches, goblins & yes HARRY POTTER!

woe is CT.

....there's just no escaping ye olde goth connection.

all those floral patterns in Germany for naught!

:lol:

Figgers.

Reading such a beaming statement about them like that does put a smile on my face..."The best pop band of all time." :)

Musette

Apr-14-09, 4:35 AM

Now, Harry Potter really is the devil, but not for the reason Christian fundamentalists think.

Funkjedi

Apr-14-09, 7:26 AM

I remember Prince raving about Ct and The Sundays quite alot in the early 90's. He loved them so much he stole the intro to Pitch the Baby for Martika's 'Love Thy Will Be Done'

Like Anthony, I remember Shirly Manson raving about Half-Gifts from twinlights.

Feist and Annie Lennox have also said they're fans.

JohnnyV

Apr-14-09, 7:51 AM

hhhhmmmmm

randomrob

Apr-14-09, 9:48 AM

Michael Jackson almost pitched the baby :nod:

bearclaw

Apr-14-09, 10:20 AM

Michael Jackson almost pitched the baby :nod:

OH NO!!! you didn't yeah ya did !!!!

Adam

Apr-14-09, 11:01 AM

I heard that the guitarrist of Metallica is a CT's fan. (sorry my bad english) :nod:

Kirk Hammett I guess:

from http://www.metallicaworld.co.uk/Interviews/1996_load_perspectives.htm

Last year, Kirk Hammett showed up at the Lollapalooza '95 show in Mountain View, CA. He arrived backstage around the time Beck went on, and hung around for Pavement, Hole and Sonic Youth. So while the media at large was stunned when, earlier this year, Addicted To Noise first reported that it looked like Metallica would headline Lolla '96, it made perfect sense to me.

The group chose some of the bands that are performing with them this summer. Soundgarden [who in turn wanted the Ramones on the bill] was one choice.

Screaming Trees [managed by Q Prime, the management company that handle Metallica, was another]. More unexpected was outlaw country star Waylon Jennings [a favorite of Hetfield's] who will play a few dates, and the Cocteau Twins, who were there at the kick-off show in Kansas City on June 27.

Frank

Apr-14-09, 11:19 AM

Thanks for that Metallica info. I've seen quite a few metal musicians and metal fans say they are into the Twins, actually. Not sure what it is that draws them to it, but I think it's very interesting.

Quisquose

Apr-14-09, 11:20 AM

More unexpected was outlaw country star Waylon Jennings [a favorite of Hetfield's] who will play a few dates, and the Cocteau Twins, who were there at the kick-off show in Kansas City on June 27.

:shitfan:

:crying:

:toilet:

:sulk:

randomrob

Apr-14-09, 11:36 AM

oh no thats an excellent bill

Synesthesia

May-11-09, 1:46 AM

Someone from Buck Tick likes CT. I don't remember which, but Robin Guthrie wrote a song from Sakurai the lead singer, which I found thrilling because I thought it sounded like Cocteau Twins with a dude singing in Japanese.

garp

May-12-09, 11:26 AM

From an article written back in 1991...

Robert Plant went through a phase of raving about them in every interview he did. Liz doesn't tell me about the time she introduced herself to him, but Robin does. They had gone to see Echo & the Bunnymen. Liz, who was a little tipsy, spotted Robert Plant at the bar and tapped him on the shoulder.

"Excuse me," she said. "I read that you really like the Cocteau Twins."

"Yeah," the mousy-maned ex-sex god grunted. "I like them. Do you like them?"

Mortified, she muttered her assent and slunk away.

Great find Russell. I remember Robert Plant extolling CT's virtues in an TV interview here in Toronto. I was surprised and pleased, then the more I thought about it, less surprised but still pleased.

Funkjedi

May-12-09, 12:12 PM

Forgot to say that Tori Amos is a fan too. She once said she studying singers or something like that and went on to mention how amazing our Liz is.

Check out this on You Tube - very Massive Attack / Liz influenced

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQyTj3De9yY

Synesthesia

May-12-09, 12:21 PM

How awesome. I love when musicians I like all like each other!

empanadilla

May-20-09, 3:26 AM

I have a Q mag from the early 90s where no other than Mr. Trevor Horn says he has like 4 or 5 copies of Heaven or Las Vegas scattered around his cars and houses. IIRC, he said that , in spite of working on music , he found CT to be great to "disconnect"- BTW, it was Seal himself who turned him on to them.
Trevor added that he could not seem to find any way to be their producer since their sound was so unique and he wouldn't be able to add anything to it.

Dpressed

May-20-09, 4:08 AM

davespear

May-20-09, 4:12 AM

ooh the cow

fornasetti

May-20-09, 5:12 AM

In last Sunday's Observer (they have a music mag once a month) Jacqui Smith (currently UK Home Secretary ... although for how much longer I'm not sure) said she loves Anthony & The Johnsons ... but not the Cocteau Twins (they were too ... pretentious).

I've always disliked this woman and now I understand better why that is.

She needs some Cocteau warmth in her life.

frarn

May-20-09, 6:42 AM

In last Sunday's Observer (they have a music mag once a month) Jacqui Smith (currently UK Home Secretary ... although for how much longer I'm not sure) said she loves Anthony & The Johnsons ... but not the Cocteau Twins (they were too ... pretentious).

wonder if she claimed the cost of the CD's on expenses??

I've yet to understand how a sound/music can be "pretentious"?

surely pretentiousness is something that can only be conveyed in the spoken or written word?

Politicians? well yeah. obviously :D

frarn

May-20-09, 6:43 AM

I've always disliked this woman and now I understand better why that is.

She needs some Cocteau warmth in her life.

she needs to be able to claim for the running costs for her central heating system, more like!

frarn

May-20-09, 6:43 AM

sorry, am I making too much of the expense claims thing??

:D

Dpressed

May-21-09, 7:34 PM

^^^^^^^^^

No ... :666: ..... :thumbsup: ..... :lol:

Dpressed

May-21-09, 7:37 PM

wonder if she claimed the cost of the CD's on expenses??

I've yet to understand how a sound/music can be "pretentious"?

4 words

Emerson ..... Lake ... And ....... Palmer

fredofla

May-21-09, 7:54 PM

4 words

Emerson ..... Lake ... And ....... Palmer

two more words:

Rick Wakeman

WARNING: view this at your own risk:

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randomrob

May-21-09, 8:18 PM

Fo4SblJ_SnU

dont even thinking of clicking on this link unless yr down with the ELO, k? Cuz Im rockin out. :headbang:

edward

May-22-09, 2:23 AM

two more words:

Rick Wakeman

WARNING: view this at your own risk:

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:crying: omg! This is why the punks had to break rock and roll.

Dpressed

May-22-09, 5:56 AM

two more words:

Rick Wakeman

Wakeman is an odd one. Whilst you are 100% right about his music (as Edward is about punk being necessary to 'rescue rock') the bloke himself is anything but pretentious. Rick has become a very good talk (& radio) show guest as he can 'talk' (& talk & talk) & is more than willing to take the p*ss out of himself...... the BBC tv program 'Grumpy Old Men' has given us a lot to be thankful for.

fredofla

May-22-09, 1:16 PM

Wakeman is an odd one. Whilst you are 100% right about his music (as Edward is about punk being necessary to 'rescue rock') the bloke himself is anything but pretentious. Rick has become a very good talk (& radio) show guest as he can 'talk' (& talk & talk) & is more than willing to take the p*ss out of himself...... the BBC tv program 'Grumpy Old Men' has given us a lot to be thankful for.

thanks for the RW update, Red.

i'm glad he's found a new calling as a TV/radio "vocalist".....

:lol:

Dpressed

May-22-09, 6:03 PM

thanks for the RW update, Red.

i'm glad he's found a new calling as a TV/radio "vocalist".....

:lol:

Unfortunately Wakeman is still playing his music. Its 500 years since Henry VIII became king so they asked Rick to perform 6 Wives at Hampton Court (Henry's favourite palace) ... the tale of setting up the concert was amusing (when he told it) .. basically Wakeman asked for loads of things that he expected to be rejected & they weren't.... Wakeman's manager asked him if he expected to make loads of money from the concert ... when W said no they decided to go ahead .... now that IS OTT .... & I'd still much rather listen to a 2 minute punk single than THAT concert

warmjets_m

Jul-3-09, 6:49 PM

Ryan Lum (Lovespiralsdownward): Projekt has been successful at marketing itself to goths. We're not gothic, nor are any of the bands that influence us. Whoever thinks that we or Slowdive or the Cocteau Twins are goth must have a funny idea of what goth is

Robert Smith: "Obviously, I would like to look at the American charts and see the Cocteau Twins at No. 1, Echo and the Bunnymen at No. 2, The Jesus and Mary Chain at No. 3, and The Cure straight in at No. 4. But it's not very likely to happen, and it doesn't worry me." -1987

Alison Shaw (The Cranes): "I never really caught on to Cocteau Twins till much later on. I really like their album "Heaven or Las Vegas." For some reason I didn't listen to them early on. I was probably afraid of comparisons to them early on, or I didn't want to be influenced by her, because she was such a strong sound. I didn't listen to them to later."

More Robert Smith:"Do you know what is strange? That I've had all the commercial success, while I always was a fan of great groups that remarkably never really broke through. I think My Bloody Valentine and Cocteau Twins have some really catchy songs, but still they never had a hit and you never hear them on the radio. I think it's one big conspiracy - or how do you explain that so many bullshit groups have one hit after
the other and get one platinum cd after the other? A conspiracy of bad taste, that's what it is." -2000

Dpressed

Jul-3-09, 6:52 PM

^^^^^

Thanks for this .... love the first Robert Smith quote

spangled

Jul-6-09, 1:30 AM

Speak it Mr. Smith! :heart:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/cureistie/robbieface.gif

riako

Aug-9-09, 8:46 PM

bearclaw

Aug-10-09, 2:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LepsjXE828M

Antony mentions Liz at around 2:47 in this interview on who he'd like to invite to an imaginary music festival. Says that she is a friend of his and that she is working on her solo album right now.

i had to admit when i heard anthony say that i had a little chuckle to myself "oh sweet sweet anthony so much you have to learn, for our dearheat elizabeth has been "working" on that solo album for an awefully looooooooooonnnngg time"

personally i just think she wants to break kates record of 12 years !!!! between the red shoes & aeriel

garp

Aug-10-09, 11:26 AM

Bob looks like he is about to blow chunks here.:lmao:

Speak it Mr. Smith! :heart:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/cureistie/robbieface.gif

elysium

Aug-10-09, 2:49 PM

He must have just listened to that Merlin track, then. vomitsm

Sean_Montgomery

Aug-10-09, 3:08 PM

Rick Wakeman

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