CT as Muzak

[GAIZKA]

I remember I was in a dental office awaiting some sort of extraction not really listening to the gentle wailings of M.Bolton when the next song playing was a CT track from the Heaven or Las Vegas album. I fell of the chair...so I goes over to the desk and asked if they were playing CDs but they said it was a Muzak system!!

After that time I heard them in various types of business...Especially during Xmas with the frost the snow man song. Even my Co. has them on the mixed CD we are forced to play....Yes I did hit repeat more then a few times...How can you go from CT to Jewel??

Does anyone feel the same...I tried not to be an elitist but, man, that does bug me.

[fredofla]

....i'm very careful about what i have to listen to while i'm in the dentist's chair.

i avoid any experience of "painful" environments for music that i love.

y'know......music is very associative.

CT playing as musak.....?

not to worry; they're in very good company:

if i remember correctly, Beethoven & Tchaikovsky have also had some similar problems.

FoLA

[mmmender]

i've only had the distinct pleasure of hearing a musak version of "bluebeard" - it was torture.

[zed]

.........:eek: :2puke: MORE NOVICANE!!!

Z.

[mmmender]

personally, i prefer the gas........

http://www.herb-bauer.com/~leesa/cocteautwins/vBulletin/full/images/avatars/lynch2.gif

[zed]

........roflmao :sleep: roflmao

Z.

[chaco75]

I won't go into my usual rant about how certain muzak and new age music are tomorrow's hip currency...my question is: Bluebeard in muzak version???as in instrumental-recorded-by-someone-else version??? brilliant!

[kookaburra]

They used to play Bluebeard, unadultered, through the p.a. system at the Lehigh Valley Mall in PA.

[Phil Lawton]

I won't go into my usual rant about how certain muzak and new age music are tomorrow's hip currency...

Chaco

What do you mean by this exactly?

[iceblink555]

Originally posted by chaco75
I won't go into my usual rant about how certain muzak and new age music are tomorrow's hip currency...my question is: Bluebeard in muzak version???as in instrumental-recorded-by-someone-else version??? brilliant!

I'll go one step further, chaco: Has anyone got any CT muzak MP3's?!

--Alan

[chaco75]

You asked for it Phil:

I believe in these times when ironic post-modernism is a most valued stance, one that suggests a certain higher intelligence and cynical world weariness, certain popular phenomenae become of value after their initial impact on world's popular culture.
My argument on new-age is that in 10 years, people will see it as something hip, it probably will be played by acclaimed DJs in trendy bars in Berlin.
Take for instance the lounge/easy-listening revival started in the mid-90s: not many in the 80s would have guessed that a few years from then, it would be cool to say one owns Ray Conniff's complete collection.
I once started a looong thread at 4AD about Enya, how she will be tomorrow's darling, embraced by many of those who squirm when the first delicate synth-pizzicato strains of 'Caribbean Blue' start to play through the airwaves. Needless to say I was booed and violently attacked, but my resolve is invincible...viva Enya!

This is the REALLY short version Phil, I actually just wrote an article for a magazine about this, will be published in August...
Iceblink, let me know if you find those mp3s.

[kookaburra]

You asked for this, Phil?

[Phil Lawton]

Yeah, Chaco.

I believe in these times when ironic post-modernism is a most valued stance, one that suggests a certain higher intelligence and cynical world weariness, certain popular phenomenae become of value after their initial impact on world's popular culture.

But what do you mean by this exactly?

Joshing aside, my initial reaction was "so what?" Most classical composers and artists were not given what we now deem to be an appropriate amount of adulation, praise and respect whilst they were alive. I'm fairly sure, however, that most classical music buffs would leap to Mozart's defence were you to call him a populist twat.

Don't get me wrong - I'm fairly ambivalent as far as Enya goes and I wouldn't compare to to ol' Mozzy, but he may well have been, in the eyes of his contemporary audience, the Enya of his day.

May I also say that not only do I not own any Ray Coniff (sp?) records, but I have never accepted him as being "cool", apart from when his autopsy was being performed.

Ray, if you're reading this and you are, obviously, not dead, then I'm only kidding. If you are dead, though.......(shrugs)

He's also not big, funny or clever.

[Phil Lawton]

Kooky

No, mine was the cheeseburger.

[kookaburra]

ok

[Phil Lawton]

I also asked for fries....I demand to see the manager.

[kookaburra]

I've got your French-fucking-fries, buddy!

[chaco75]

Actually Phil, I never meant to say , or imply, that Enya is under appreciated, or that she might ever become tomorrow's Mozart...I only said that new-age is a genre many people who claim to have 'good' musical taste disdain, and they disdain it with a fury. This, as kookaburra pointed out with the Warhol picture (referring to post-modernism and sweetened by kitsch), is only another example of history repeating itself in the position of: what you consider tacky today, you might praise tomorrow (obviously when seen with certain irony).
So what? So nothing, just a thought to all those who make gagging sounds when 'Watermakr' plays on the PA system at the dentist's. Many of them, 10 years from now, will be saying "I always thought Enya was cool, it wasn't only that fool chaco at ye olde cocteau boards".

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by chaco75
This, as kookaburra pointed out with the Warhol picture (referring to post-modernism and sweetened by kitsch), is only another example of history repeating itself in the position of: what you consider tacky today, you might praise tomorrow (obviously when seen with certain irony).

Thanks, but that's not at all what I meant to point out.

[iceblink555]

Originally posted by chaco75

This is the REALLY short version Phil, I actually just wrote an article for a magazine about this, will be published in August...
Iceblink, let me know if you find those mp3s.

Hmmm... interesting theory you've got there, chaco. I hear what your sayin' re: the lounge/easy listening. Discovered Leonard Cohen myself around '98. What magazine will your article be appearing in?

Just added "cocteau twins muzak" to my Soulseek wishlist! Will let you know if anything turns up. Please do the same if you come across anything.

Kook, when you gonna show us the "backside" of that soup can of yours?!

--Alan
np: From the Flagstones - Paris, Oct '90

[iceblink555]

Originally posted by kookaburra


Thanks, but that's not at all what I meant to point out.

Chaco, re: the Warhol soup can:

That's a reference to another recent thread in which kook replied to someone's post by saying it sounded like something he once read on the back of a soup can. He posted the (excellent) Warhol pic then as well. But I'm still waiting for him to post a pic that shows what's written on the *back* of that damned can!

--Alan
np: Massive Attack - smalltime shot away

[chaco75]

well, isn't that ironic? perfect example anyway kookaburra...

[kookaburra]

In no way is that an example of irony.

[chaco75]

it's ironic because you were trying to make fun of something with your can of soup, but at the same time you gave a perfect example of post-modernism.

[kookaburra]

OK. Weak, but I can see it. I retract my former statement...sorta.

[kookaburra]

By the way, chac: get it?

[chaco75]

I don't get it videodrome...

[kookaburra]

Originally posted by chaco75
I don't get it videodrome...

Read this:

In no way is that an example of irony.

thus:

I refuse to be the subject/object of anybody's irony!;)