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someotherian

Sep-13-02, 8:56 AM

i think i'm right in saying (*ian prepares to get shot down in flames*) that at least some of faye/wong wong/faye's songs are actually just cocteau music (hence robin's guitar etc.) with her vocal, which at times can.. dare i say this.. sound a bit liz-ish. i believe one example of such a song is 'touch upon touch'. from what i remember about hearing the two versions of this song in particular the production is slightly different but i'm pretty certain that in both cases the music is cocteau through-and-through.
all that being said, if you think you've heard unreleased cocteau stuff then i'm in no position to disagree. :)

MCocteau

Sep-13-02, 9:06 AM

Can you people use like standard scola english? I didn't get all you said :( But I got a Faye Wong song on Audiogalaxy called Amusement park and it IS a Cocteau Twins song I have never heard! I read somewhere that Faye got the "karaoke" versions of the songs, she recorded the vocals and the September Sound team mixed them...Remeber "Touch upon touch" was written for her by the Cocteaus and only after this rerecorded with Liz's vocals...So why should it be the only example...Lees, can we attach mp3 or send them in a green place for everybody to listen? :)In an Amiusement park LOL

mmmender

Sep-13-02, 11:38 AM

IS a cocteau twins song (music by robin & simon) with vocals by wong faye, i'll post an mp3 asap!

ivolina

Jan-24-03, 1:10 PM

First time on this site and I'm glad it's here. I've been a fan since Garlands and have every CT recording I can find (inluding the Frosty the Snowman cover, box set, all albums, EP's).

Naturally, I'm always on the look-out for any group which can even come close to Elizabeth's melodious voice (Lush, Portisehead, Broadcast, etc.).

I was lucky enough to find the Cocteau Twins/Faye Wong CD at Amoeba Music in San Francisco and I must say it is quite beautiful. I've heard rumors that Faye's Di-Dar CD is very similar. But it's impossible to find...has anyone ever heard it?

I also want to mention that the compilation of CT covers is also a very worthy choice for fans.

fraserfaye

Jan-24-03, 2:14 PM

check out this link:

http://hem.passagen.se/violaine/FayeWong.htm

<Impatience> is a ct-like album. Track 4, Fracture, and track 8, Repressing Happiness, were written by the Cocteau Twins for Faye and this album.

Some other songs like <Where> is wordless. ctblue

pimp ballerina roflmao

mmmender

Jan-28-03, 10:54 AM

welcome to the board! i'm a collector (as an understatement) myself and i hope to someday (in my dreams!) complete my collection.

i'm not a huge fan of wong faye myself as i find it a bit fluffy but many seem to like it.

the "half gifts" tribute album is indeed worth a listen - just steer clear of the "gothic tribute to the cocteau twins" cd cos that's probably the worst thing ever recorded.

watchlar

Jan-28-03, 1:26 PM

Originally posted by fraserfaye
check out this link:

http://hem.passagen.se/violaine/FayeWong.htm

<Impatience> is a ct-like album. Track 4, Fracture, and track 8, Repressing Happiness, were written by the Cocteau Twins for Faye and this album.

Some other songs like <Where> is wordless. ctblue

pimp ballerina roflmao

is that the cute little ditty that reminds me of animated dancing chopsticks? i love that little track...it's so sweet

kugemnstr

Feb-7-03, 6:20 PM

Could someone tell me what the Faye Wong/Cocteau Twins CD is? Is it a compilation of Faye Wong covers of Cocteau Twins songs, along with Cocteau Twins collaborations? What is the official title? The folks at Amoeba in LA were clueless. Also, what other albums by Faye contain Cocteau covers/collaborations. Thanks.:confused:

fraserfaye

Feb-7-03, 6:49 PM

http://hem.passagen.se/violaine/FayeWong.htm

I do think this link is clear enough to explain it.

mmmender

Feb-7-03, 7:10 PM

kug, off the top of my head the only official cocteau twins releases that you can hear faye's contributions on would be the hong kong and the chinese editions of milk & kisses. she appears on "serpentskirt" on both of those editions of the release.

she also did a track called "amusement park" (i have an mp3 of it online if you'd like the link just ask) where she did the vocals and robin and simon did the music.

everything else she did was just cocteau twins cover versions.

nicsmith

Feb-7-03, 9:02 PM

Hey Kug, what a coincidence. I was at Amoeba the other day looking for Faye Wong stuff, too. I found the CD that has Amusement Park and her cover of Rilkean Heart (which is called something else, but I can't remember what it is) on it. It was in the World Music section under Chinese Pop, but it was the only Faye CD they had.

Amusement Park disappointed, but her cover of RH is absoluetley gorgeous. The rest of the album was surprisingly good, too, though I have no earthly idea what she's saying (kinda like Liz!) :)

There's another album of hers called Random Thinking (according to yesasia.com) that has covers of Bluebeard & Know Who You Are At Every Age.

Yet another album, Impatience, has two tracks written by the Twins for Faye called Fracture & Repressing Happiness.

Looks like both Random Thinking and Impatience are long out of print though.

Hale

Feb-8-03, 3:24 AM

Originally posted by mmmender
the "half gifts" tribute album is indeed worth a listen - just steer clear of the "gothic tribute to the cocteau twins" cd cos that's probably the worst thing ever recorded.

Cleopatra Records is infamous for producing shitty tribute albums. It's probably the only thing they're well known for, at this point.

algol

Feb-8-03, 5:57 AM

Originally posted by Hale

Cleopatra Records is infamous for producing shitty tribute albums. It's probably the only thing they're well known for, at this point.

Tell me about it! I must own like 15 of the things, and I keep buying them despite the fact that I KNOW they are going to suck. I must be Cleopatra's target market or something. At any rate, they do have a couple of good ones -- the Christian Death tribute/remixing "Death Mix" is quite good, as is the Bauhaus tribute "Passion of Covers".

algol

Barbazul

Feb-22-06, 4:40 PM

Am I crazy for paying more than 150USD for this malasian promo?! Just one track!! Actually this is the most expensive cd I've ever owned (of course it has to be from Cocteau Twins). I don't know if this have been in an other thread but at least I'd like to know what do you think about this track.... Don't you think it is really weird? in fact is a unique track since no one had the privilege to be featured as vocalist on any album except for this asiatic singer. Which was the reason for them to invite a girl wich voice is not as special as others (in my humble opinion)? Talking about the track I like it but it's inevitable to realise that the voices were recorded in diferent studios (I know that Cocteus used to work separate in recording their songs) but in this track is just too evident the voices are mixed but they don't really melt down (if this term apply). Anyway it seems that Liz vocals were re-recorded as the very last part of it does not end as the uk/usa version of this song. I really like it and well, I'd like to know your opinion.

Ghosty

Feb-22-06, 5:24 PM

I actually quite like this track. I think I like the original better but Faye Wong's voice is amazing if you ask me. From what I heard this is actually the original track with some of Liz' vocals removed and those by Faye Wong inserted, in other words it's a 'fake duet'. I only own it as a MP3 I downloaded a while ago. not sure if i would pay $150 for it...

dprid

Feb-22-06, 5:46 PM

Nope - not crazy at all. It's rare, you wanted it and were prepared to pay that money so that's fine.

icesore

Feb-24-06, 11:43 AM

dude, you hv such a great taste! faye wong rules! I think she is the only artist tat can redefine CT's works, have you also check other CT songs that she covers?
--> random thinking (bluebeard), know oneself and each other (know who you are at every age), Fracture (tranquil eye), repressing happiness (touch upon touch), and amusement park, did i miss any tracks?

salve_sons

Feb-24-06, 3:52 PM

My wife is Chinese, and when i was living in Beijing I got a care package in the mail that had the CT/Wong Fei track. I loved it.

I call her "Wong Fei" like that because that's her chinese name. The chinese always put your family name (can't call it a "last name", per se) first. And fay is an english translation, but it should/could be spelled Fei.

I like that the Chinese emphasize family first. It was during this period of my life that I came to realize that the western cowboy idea of the guy who goes against the grain all the time (the idea of "the individual" as the primary unit of identity) was a proxy for too much selfishness, lawlessness, and "reactionary" anti-authority attitudes. Now, many authorities don't deserve respect, but it would seem the western solution is to just go ahead and screw everyone else on that basis, and it keeps many of us in a rock and roll style state of arrested development.

Meanwhile, the chinese are not a bunch of automatons walking around praising the government and censorship all day, either, contrary to what the politicians would like the scare you with.

Instead, on the street, like us, if you ask...they'll tell you, "c'mon, governments everywhere abuse their power and no one takes communism seriously here either."

However, going back farther, confuscious was the one who introduced the "family first" concept...and it means, that while being born with inalienable rights as an individual (that no government can usurp), they simply look at how their actions affect others in their family and society before setting out on a me-first bender. And that's why they have ten times the people that america has, and one tenth the crime.

Meanwhile, back on topic, everyone should buy any and all Wong Fei albums they can...she's like a Chinese cranberries, perhaps, with some trip hop and jazz and rock thrown in. Nice. I can't ID any of the songs beacuse all my albums have Chinese liner notes, so I'm excited
someone compiled all of them on this site.

Thanks Isore!

E-Lo

Feb-24-06, 4:08 PM

I think I prefer the Faye Wong duet version of the regular M&K. Two ethereal divas are better than one!

icesore

Feb-25-06, 3:19 AM

I think I prefer the Faye Wong duet version of the regular M&K. Two ethereal divas are better than one!

Agreed!!!!! :bow:

But too bad, there are some internet sources (i'm not sure is true or not) claim that faye wong will not make any albums anymore... To Love (Jiang Ai) album in 2003 was the last album she made... so sad, are there really no more good voices for the music lovers anymore?

seR^Pent

Feb-25-06, 7:11 AM

150USD for that promo? my~ I've just purchased a Hong Kong version of Milk and Kisses (the version only contains that duet) on eBay for only 6USD. All you should do is, once there's a MAK listed on eBay, ask the seller if the barcode is 7314 532 318 2, that's the HK disc and you'll find Ms Faye Wong there.

go to this thread:
http://www.cocteautwinsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8424.

also this page:
http://www.lannychai.com/ct/1996mnk.htm
click the -related items- button on the left bottom... let me show my sorry for my poor English first :P.

dprid

Feb-25-06, 7:31 AM

The version of M&K with Faye Wong is pretty easy to get hold of - they come up all the time ($6 is a good price mind). The Malaysian promo is rare - only comes up a few times a year. $150 is definitely top end, but they normally get up near $100.

seR^Pent

Feb-25-06, 7:43 AM

yes, faye wong recorded her track in a studio in Hong Kong (afa I can recall "AVON" the name of the studio) and then the recording engineer mixed the track into CT's original. cocteautwins.com said that faye wong was "singing in Mandarin Chinese", that's nonsense, she didn't sing in Mandarin nor Cantonese or any other Chinese dialect, that's...yes...adlib.
yes ms wong retired (temporarily maybe,who knows) last year, currently living with her new husband (an chinese actor/and poor ex-hubby Douwei) in beijing. yes they'll have a baby this year.

salve_sons

Feb-27-06, 10:23 AM

SERP^

you wouldn't be the guy who runs the chinese CT site, would you?

Its not bad, and sometimes its got some interesting posts/mp3s.

Other than you, and the site owners, I would think not many people in China know CT. Really, I bet only about 100K people total have even heard of them. Western influences do hit those shores, but perhaps not for underappreciated musicians without giant PR machines.

I've got a question:

How did the CTs meet Wong Fay?

Has anyone ever asked liz if she listens to world music, like qwaali (? spelling?), or Chinese/asian artists, in a search for different vocals styles?

It would seem she has a little of that in her...

wonder who she listens to?

Phil Lawton

Feb-27-06, 10:26 AM

wonder who she listens to?

Not her fans, that's for sure.

andylama

Feb-27-06, 10:36 AM

...she didn't sing in Mandarin nor Cantonese or any other Chinese dialect, that's...yes...adlib.
Very interesting. Thanks for that.

Ghosty

Feb-27-06, 11:20 AM

My wife's suspicions confirmed. She told me ages ago it wasn't chinese. Some of FW's other tracks are, like 'Reminiscence', her cover of Rilkean Heart from her 1997 'Faye Wong' album. This also includes 'Amusement Park', a track supposedly written and performed by Robin and Simon for the 'lost' 9th CT album. Makes you wonder if Faye wrote that vocal melody or copied Liz' original...if there was an original.

Barbazul

Feb-28-06, 2:38 AM

... I agree, the second verse in this song is just like heaven, is like Liz saying: ok, sing on your chine-cantonese-elf language but in this matter I'm the Queen.. Here I go!!! And checking the info on the promo this is textually cuoted (sleeve and cd): "FEATURING FAYE WONG. ADDITIONAL VOCAL PRODUCED BY ALVING LEONG. ADDITIONAL VOCAL RECORDED BY JOHN LIN AT STUDIO S&R. FAYE WONG APPEARS COURTESY OF CINEPOLY HONG KONG. MIXED AT SEPTEMBER SOUND, LONDON". 1995 Mercury Records, 1996 Mercury Ltd (London). Exceptionally "DDD (Digital Recording and Mastering)" is indicated. I remember that AAD was the last letters indicating the kind of recording on Victorialand... till this recording.

seR^Pent

Feb-28-06, 6:37 AM

As far as I know, there're two CT's fansites in China (and surely tons of fan's blogs, if you search google in Chinese), mine in Shanghai East China, and "cocteautwinscn.com" in Canton, South China, run by a friend of mine, and if you can remeber, fayefraser, a member of this forum. Mine is currently a ruin, his is still ongoing (my respect, Chen :)).
A huge masses know CT in China, thanks to Faye Wong's introduction with her covers and their collaborations, you know Faye was, and is a diva in all Chinese-speaking regions, all those (countless) fans of Faye Wong, "love the tree love the branch", so you can imagine the number.
Surely, CDs of CT are pretty hard to find in China (only one official release in China, BBK), but you know, China has the largest amount of netizen, China has a market of about 60% pirate discs and 30% smuggling discs (not responsible for the figures :P), China has Hong Kong...
In fact, who introduces CT to Faye Wong? Her ex-bubby Douwei, ex-member of a notable rock band in Beijing, and the rock circumstance in Beijing, and her producer in Hong Kong... Line notes in Fickleness, her masterpiece so far, said "special thanks to Alex Chan for putting Faye Wong and Cocteau Twins 2gether." Who is that Alex? Maybe a musicbroker in Hong Kong, but anyway it's not important at all.

seR^Pent

Feb-28-06, 6:55 AM

I remember an interview with Simon Raymonde, on a Hong Kong journal. Simon said they'd never met Faye Wong aspectantly. They got a demo of Faye's covers from the record company, and were impressed by that voice. All their subsequent collaborations went through the tapes travelling between UK and HK. In 1997, when CT was going their hardest way, Simon and Robin once thought of coming to Shanghai to work with Faye Wong (only a hearsay, HK journalists are famous for their imagination).

MCocteau

Aug-20-06, 6:01 PM

Hey, as we were talking about unsung song, I remembered this wonderful track written by the Cocteau twins for Faye Wong, unreleased anywere else and probably never sang by Liz Fraser (well, I'm in doubt, cause She was the one to create the vocals, so maybe somewhere there IS an original version to help Faye make the karaoke).
Anyway, I think the name sucks - "Amusement park" and we should all chose a new one! Everybody makes a proposal and then Lisa will make a poll! What do you think? (and please somebody ask Robin or Simon if there is a Liz version?) :weird:

E-Lo

Aug-21-06, 2:05 AM

I actually like the title "Amusement Park." It conveys a very anime, Robotech quality the song reminds me of. In fact, "Robot Amusement Park" might be a better name

MCocteau

Aug-21-06, 8:02 AM

I actually like the title "Amusement Park." It conveys a very anime, Robotech quality the song reminds me of. In fact, "Robot Amusement Park" might be a better name

Well, I was thinking of a "real Cocteau Twins" name. Could you see Pink, Orange Red, Aikea-Guinea, Grail Overfloweth, Robot Amusement Park, Evangeline...

riah

Aug-21-06, 10:05 AM

Starring a Fray in Lonestar State

E-Lo

Aug-21-06, 11:15 AM

Marius, you are so cute you can name it anything you want, mkay?

MCocteau

Aug-24-06, 8:45 AM

"if we're in love we should make love"
Marius, you are so cute you can name it anything you want, mkay?

richardlee

Oct-7-06, 2:26 AM

ballerina
faye is an asia pop singer who had recovered some ct's songs.actually the band and faye have very deep co-operation relationship.
in 1997 of faye's first EMI album---always faye,faye recorded one of two songs which are written by robin and simon, and this song is a special just for faye ,liz had never sung it which is named "a public place of entertainment (yu le chang) "

this is the song full-time version:
http://202.103.188.106:82/aabbcaa/female/f/faye/199212/04.rm

also in this album ,faye had recovered an another chinese Acoustic version song--- rilkean hreat which in china is named "to yearn for(huai nian)"
http://sh2.17o8.net/songe/song/2001_04_29/wf/028708.rm
http://61.128.162.246:82/aabbcaa/female/f/faye/200203/01.rm
http://www.xzss.com/newbbs/200508/200508230950540.wma

have you hread the faye's other recovered songs?
she also recovered like: bluebeard ,know who you are at every age,tranquil eye,touch upon touch

and you must know ,she and liz sang a same song---spentskirt in milk &
kisses (japanese album)

in addtion, ct's album had never been released in china contained except 'bkue bell knoll'

mmmender

Oct-7-06, 2:45 AM

Hi, Richardlee.

We've had many threads discussing Faye Wong and her relationship with Cocteau Twins. You might be interested in doing a forum search to find some of the threads.

Welcome to the forums, by the way...as I see this is your first post.

:welcome:

Lee

moeism

Oct-7-06, 6:03 AM

I've noticed how many people we've got on the boards from Mainland China...

Welcome

mmmender

Oct-7-06, 6:34 AM

They sure make some interesting Cocteau bootlegs too!

;)

Behold the infamous "Four CAINDER Café" from China!

http://www.cocteautwins.org/~leesa/cocteautwins/cgraphix/scanned/fcc_taiwan.jpg

riah

Oct-7-06, 10:58 AM

and how about this one? haha, you won't know the funny name of ct on the cover.

and i still don't know it's "official", want to ask 4AD.com:lmao:

http://www5.freep.cn/PhotoNew_www5/2006-10-7/22/freep_cnb6c1af51-5018-4db8-9d02-5aef36f5a9f7.jpg

http://www5.freep.cn/PhotoNew_www5/2006-10-7/22/freep_cnbc89a624-796d-4021-9983-adb18f1b8480.jpg

riah

Oct-7-06, 11:03 AM

They sure make some interesting Cocteau bootlegs too!

;)

Behold the infamous "Four CAINDER Café" from China!

http://www.cocteautwins.org/~leesa/cocteautwins/cgraphix/scanned/fcc_taiwan.jpg

oh.. no ct fans in China wants that, although just 3yuan, i.e. $0.375 US. dollar, no one buys.

riah

Oct-7-06, 11:17 AM

ballerina

and you must know ,she and liz sang a same song---spentskirt in milk &
kisses (japanese album)

in addtion, ct's album had never been released in china contained except 'bkue bell knoll'

Liz and faye didn't sang together, it's just

"Additional vocal produced by Aivin Leong
Additional vocal recorded by John Lin at Studio S & R "

BTW, I still don't know whether <Lullabies to Violaine> is official, i guess not..