cocteau chainsaw massacre

[Lucibelle]

Ok, so I'm replying to a post and the TV is on when ET on VH1 comes on. I'm not really watching it, just more for background noise, but they're doing a segment on horror flicks and I swear to you that I'm hearing Song to the Siren in the background! :eek: Now, they flooded it with reverb so it's a little hard to tell, but I'm 90% sure that that's what was playing.

If anyone wants to check on this, it comes on in the first 10 minutes of the show. You can tell me if I'm right on this, or if I need my hearing seriously checked.

.....I won't doubt that I need my hearing seriously checked.:rolleyes:

[aprilskies]

that reminds me; i gotta phone home.

[Angel]

I know that it's on the trailer for the remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Luci. Maybe this is why you're hearing it?

[mmmender]

angel's right - that's what it was for sure!

[Lucibelle]

Yup! That's what it was! :) Cool!

[Quisquose]

I downloaded that trailer, and I don't think it is TMC version - but somebody's gone to a lot of trouble to acheive a liz sound-alike effect. I wonder why they couldn't just use the real thing? Legal issues, I guess?

Anyway, the use of that song makes me a little more interested in the flick than I otherwise would be... it's an interesting choice.

[Brien]

so, it's not liz?
i only heard a tiny second of it - i couldn't listen to more.
it really pissed me off.

[Lucibelle]

Hard to say. I thought it was Liz, but it had so much effect and was buried so far in the background it was hard to tell. I haven't seen the trailer. Guess I could go do that huh? ;)

[Lucibelle]

No way! That's NOT Liz! :( However, there IS a person in the trailer that looks like it could be liz after some months of serious drugging! :D

roflmao

[Lucibelle]

*bump!*

[dprid]

I hope it isn't Liz. I don't like the idea of something so beautiful being associated with people getting cut up with chainsaws. Urgh!

[Lucibelle]

It's not Liz. Whoever it is is copying her note for note, but it's NOT Liz. The very first note sounds a lot like her, (IMO) but after that it becomes obvious. Apple's site has the trailer. Here's the link- http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/thetexaschainsawmassacre/

[Shivers]

**MERGED THREADS**

just so you know they're playing TMC's version of 'Song To The Siren' over the opening seconds of that inevitably-terrible Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. I got more excited than I probably ought to have. Ho hum

[Lucibelle]

Before you get your hopes up, that's not Liz. It's not even TMC. :( But I thought it was when I first heard it too. This was brought up a few weeks ago in the Liz on ET (http://www.herb-bauer.com/~leesa/cocteautwins/vBulletin/full/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2678) thread.

[simon alexander]

Did anyone ever think (like me) mistake 'flotsam' for 'fossil' in the above song? Actually, I still can't remember which it is - even though the latter doesn't really make sense!

[lo-fi]

I thaught it was " full sail"

[Musette]

Isn't it meant to be "were you hare when I was fox?"

Did she change it, or just Liz-ify it?

[iceblink555]

Originally posted by Lucibelle
Before you get your hopes up, that's not Liz. It's not even TMC. :( But I thought it was when I first heard it too. This was brought up a few weeks ago in the Liz on ET (http://www.herb-bauer.com/~leesa/cocteautwins/vBulletin/full/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2678) thread.

So does anyone know who it actually is, if it's not Liz/TMC? Is it a new SttSiren cover? Anyone know if it's on the new TX Chainsaw soundtrack?

--Alan
np: Mus - encofraos

[ezzydynamine]

it is soooo easy to hear that the words in TMC(liz's) version of Song to the Siren(T.Buckley) are slightly different.

i think we can alll safely say that Liz has no mention of hares and foxes in her version.... does anyone disagree with that point?

it bugged me for years, but hares and foxes never fitted in there.

[zed]

..she stays very, very close to the original...i believe she just slightly changes a seqence of words near the end.
i did a pict-o-gram of the song with lyrics in a thread rcently.

i've known the song for years being a big buckly fan in the late sixties early seventies...... morning glory, buzzing fly and pleasent street being several faves,.......hmm.there may be a new thread in there.............

Z.

[Lucibelle]

Originally posted by iceblink555
So does anyone know who it actually is, if it's not Liz/TMC? Is it a new SttSiren cover? Anyone know if it's on the new TX Chainsaw soundtrack?

--Alan
np: Mus - encofraos

I don't know Alan, but if you go to the trailer at Apple's website (http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/thetexaschainsawmassacre/) you can hear it very well. Headphones help. Whoever it is seems to be trying to copy the TMC version as closely as possible. Maybe 4AD was charging too much for the rights to the original, or maybe the sound quality of the original wasn't up to par? Who knows?

[iceblink555]

Thanks for the link, Steph. Sounds a lot like the TMC version to me, but could just be a close imitation. I didn't do a back-to-back comparison, and I didn't use headphones, so it's hard to be sure. Hopefully they'll put it on the soundtrack.

--Alan

[mojo]

Originally posted by Lucibelle
Whoever it is seems to be trying to copy the TMC version as closely as possible. Maybe 4AD was charging too much for the rights to the original, or maybe the sound quality of the original wasn't up to par? Who knows?

the filmmakers asked 4ad, but it was turned down by Ivo (who issues the rights for all TMC songs). By the look of things they got permission from the Buckley estate, then the go-ahead for a copy of the TMC version. Annoying, but thats how it goes sometimes... if they want to do something bad enough, nobody can do a thing to stop them... not sure why Ivo turned it down - maybe because of how its being used at the moment on this trailer (the Cacharel ad was approved as it was deemed tasteful)... ah well!

it wouldn't be about the money though, just for the record!

[iceblink555]

So it's def. not the TMC version. But they certainly tried hard to imitate it! So who gives the go-ahead for a copy of the TMC version? Wouldn't that be Ivo also?

Mojo, do you know who did this sndtk version?

Thanks for filling us in.

--Alan

[mojo]

hi

nope, stuff like re-recording the song (with different musicians) is normally out of the artists hands - I'm not sure how you get rights for a re-record, but its one of those annoying loopholes..

nobody has managed to find out who has done the re-record yet, other than its nobody involved with This Mortal Coil!

it confuses me :)

jo

[dannen]

Originally posted by lo-fi
I thaught it was " full sail"

i'm w/ you lo-fi, i always thought it was 'full sail' too

[Lucibelle]

Ha! So I was right. Sorry to toot my own horn, but I KNEW it wasn't TMC. My eyesight sucks, but my ears have never let me down. ;)

[dreemkill]

dammit, y'all beat me to it. i went to the movies tonight (saw pirates of the caribbean, and then jason vs. freddy) i shouted out loud (probably too loud for the theatre) "what the FUCK?" my friends thought i was talking about them doing a new TCM, but i was actually talking about song to the siren.......and the fact it was some chick trying her damndest to sound good. BAH!

[mcinca]

I about freaked out at the movies last night myself. Song to the Siren starts playing only to realize it's the preview for Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The movie's website (http://www.texaschainsawmovie.com/) has a small clip of the song playing on the opening page. It's also in the trailer for the movie.

[zed]

...the though of some idiot film maker useing that insanely beautiful song in a piece of crap like that...(ok,..it may be a decent film in it's genre......the first one was.. but..) really upsets me. i find it just....ludicrous. in the extreme.

Z.:rolleyes: :confused: :mad:

[kookaburra]

Time to come down off your high horse, Zed.

[zed]

...oh! i know!!...ain't i a stinker?:666:

Z.roflmao

[iceblink555]

Well, on the plus side, it does expose (or would have exposed) a lot of people to this beautiful music who probably wouldn't have otherwise discovered it.

I can't stand 99.999% of horror films myself. But hey, if it brings in more fans, I say let them use the entire CT/TMC discography if they want!

:spear: (the most "horrific" emoticon I could find)

--Alan

[mborum]

**MERGED THREADS**

Has anyone else been completely buggered by the fact that the "new" (that is, REMADE) version of THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE movie is using a cover of a cover version of "Song to the Siren" in their trailer?

I have received a handful of e-mail inquiries so far at cocteautwins.com about this, with everyone wanting to know anything from whether "the Cocteau Twins approved" to "when did Liz and Robin do this new recording and how can I get a copy?!!?!??!?!" It's exhausting.

Just in case there's any question, it is most certainly NOT the same version that Liz and Robin recorded for This Mortal Coil (not that anyone in this forum would ever make such a mistake anyway). It's actually a cheap ripoff of Liz and Robin's version of the song, which is really odd.

To hear what I'm talking about, go to http://www.texaschainsawmovie.com.

Michael

[iceblink555]

Michael, this has come up before. I've merged your thread with the previous one.

I think mojo posted the details of how the filmmaker's request for the original SttSiren was turned down. So they had this imitation version done instead. :-/

--Alan

[mborum]

Thanks for merging the threads. I figured it would have come up before, but when I did a search on it nothing came up.

Michael

[iceblink555]

Just as well, cuz it reminded me to go check out the TX Chainsaw sndtk, which was just released on Nov. 4. Track listing is avail. here:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?style=MUSIC&pid=6416490&cart=163657111

Looks like SttSiren wasn't included, unless they re-titled it. :eek: Who knows, maybe it's one of these two (there aren't any samples yet):

"Immortally Insane" - Pantera (w/ guest vocal of course)
"As Real as it Gets" - Sworn Enemy

Or maybe it's a hidden "bonus" track!

--Alan

[halation]

***MERGE***

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Song to the Siren have been discussed before, but here's some more...

In the current issue of Entertainment Weekly (not mine, my wife's, silly) there is a little blurb about a "Bloody Good Song" or something. It says the song ( in the movie's trailer) is Song to the Siren recorded by C.T.'s Liz Fraser and Robin Guthrie(?) It also says the song was released in 1998 (!?). It mentions the reissue of the remastered C.T. catalog and that somehow this movie's use of the song will inspire a "renewed interest" in the Cocteau Twins.

I hope not ..at least because of that movie.

[Pale Clouded]

That's so irritating especially since the Song to the Siren cover used in the movie doesn't even have Liz in it, it's another singer. I could tell that as soon as the chick started to sing............

[iceblink555]

This is becoming a strange case of "any publicity is good publicity"!

I just wish 4AD had given them permission to use the original song. I hate horror films myself, but damn, imagine all the exposure TMC/CT woulda gotten, esp. if it had ended up on the sndtk (which this imitation version did not).

For anyone who hasn't heard/seen it yet, the trailer with this SttSiren imitation can be found at www.texaschainsawmovie.com .

Edit: Just discovered that the TX Chainsaw site plays SttSiren (imitation) in the background, right when you get to the site. So you don't even have to view the trailer to hear it.

BTW, has anyone seen the actual movie yet? I'm curious if they use more of the song in the movie, or just what's in the trailer.

--Alan

[mojo]

Originally posted by iceblink555
I just wish 4AD had given them permission to use the original song.

to be fair, it isn't down to 4ad - the decision lies with former 4ad owner Ivo. He never grants permission for STTS to be used - I'm not sure why it was used in the Cacharel ad, but that's one of the few times that springs to mind that he's granted permission.

Also, just so people know, we were eventually told by the film people that it was a re-record (but we knew that anyway!) - it probably isn't included on the soundtrack for that reason!

[Phil Lawton]

Originally posted by by the sea
l'richenel.

please!

Who?

[iceblink555]

Originally posted by mojo
to be fair, it isn't down to 4ad - the decision lies with former 4ad owner Ivo. He never grants permission for STTS to be used - I'm not sure why it was used in the Cacharel ad, but that's one of the few times that springs to mind that he's granted permission.

Also, just so people know, we were eventually told by the film people that it was a re-record (but we knew that anyway!) - it probably isn't included on the soundtrack for that reason!

Thanks for the clarifications, mojo.

For those who don't know, the Cacharel ad is the one often referred to as the "NOA perfume" ad. SttSiren (actual TMC version) was also used in David Lynch's Lost Highway (after being turned down for his film Blue Velvet, I believe), but didn't appear on that soundtrack either.

Mojo, for those of us who aren't enlightened in these matters, what exactly is a "re-record"? Does that mean they just went in and recorded another vocalist on top of Liz's voice?! Our member E-Lo tells me he can still hear the remnants of Liz's vocals in the TX Chainsaw version. That's so insulting if that's what they did! I know you explained it before, but I still don't quite understand how they can legally do something like this when they don't have permission to use the song in its original form. Meanwhile rappers are sued for using samples that last only a few seconds. Can they get away with it because it's just being used in a movie, and not being released as a piece of music per se, as it would be on the sndtk CD?

--Alan

[mojo]

Originally posted by iceblink555
[B]ojo, for those of us who aren't enlightened in these matters, what exactly is a "re-record"?

basically, as Song to the Siren was a cover, for anyone to use the song full stop, they'd need permission from the Buckley side of things, plus if they wanted to use the TMC version, permission from the artist who recorded it and the record label. If they get permission from the Buckley people, but not from TMC, then they're fully within their rights to recreate the TMC song, and you can't do a lot about it. That's pretty much what's happened here. They wouldn't be able to use Robin's guitar or anything - there is definitely no TMC being used though.

so in a nutshell they had permission to use the song, but just not to use the TMC version.

I think you have to apply for a re-record though, so that nobody gets confused. Thats all the stuff I know even less about :)

jo

[mmmender]

from the bb forums........

Dear Tribute magazine (tribute.ca),

Please, please help me! On the official Texas Chainsaw Massacre web site there is a song playing in the background. Could you please identify it for me? I thought it was Enya but I can't seem to reference it anywhere.

- Heather Hudsun


Dear Heather,

The song is called Song To The Siren. The version you're referring to was recorded exclusively for use in the film, its trailer and web site, and is not on the movie soundtrack CD. It is sung by Renee Firner of the band Moneypenny.

Because you cannot buy a copy of this version, you may check out the one recorded by a group called This Mortal Coil. Song To The Siren was on their album It'll End In Tears, which was released in the mid 1980s - the version Firner recorded is nearly identical to this one. Hope that helps!

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if anyone here is interested you can visit the money penny website here......

http://www.money-penny.net/

http://www.tcmusic.net/images/moneypenny.jpg

http://www.tcmusic.net/musician/49

[keefy]

Wait a minute --- STTS is a love song, a wanting song. What's it doing at the beginning of a horror movie?