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Is it safe to assume that Cocteau twins fans ...'for lack of better words'.... are fans of bands like DCD and thier solo stuff and possibly started with the older stuff like Bauhouse, Echo and Siouxsie and the banshees?
I also dig XTC, ULTRAVOX, OMD-'older stuff', Japan/David Sylvian, Talk Talk, Adam and the Ants-'older stuff'.... to name a few.
Have struck a chord?....Just curious:D
Troy..............yup! some of us...even further....RIGHT Phil?
i'm of course not immune to that either...go way back....
raised with music.
i still love a lot of that stuff!
Z.
:D
If one were to admit liking the Spice girls or S Club juniors would it still be safe to raise one's head above the parapet........hypothetically speaking of course.........
.........wellllllllllll.....
just be really carefull, ok?
reeeeally, carefull.
:eek: Z.
I think I can honestly say I like something from all genres (sp?) of music..from Abba to AC/DC...from Cocteau Twins to Choir Singing....from Enya to Eminem etc etc...so shoot me :p ...I like being open-minded...ya only get one life right?...might as well make the most of it! :D :cool:
There was a period in the eighties when I collected much of the 4AD music/bands. Now, the only bands I really listen from 4AD besides the cocteaus ARE dead can dance and mojave 3. Everything else really hasn't stood the test of time in my life. But I consider myself as well to have eclectic tastes. For instance, I love Rush who I am seeing in Atlanta in two weeks! Getty Lee rules!!!!
Steven
mmmender
Oct-2-02, 7:34 PM
Originally posted by steven
For instance, I love Rush who I am seeing in Atlanta in two weeks! Getty Lee rules!!!!steven.....they you might actually be one of the few people who give a fuck when i say that i see geddy quite often here in toronto.....he picks his daughter up from school (in a 4x4) which is about 500 feet from my front door. last time i saw him he was carrying a big huge platter of cookies, it was very sweet.......made me just wanna run up to him like a madwoman, throw his cookies to the ground and in a hurried voice say "...well-weathered leather, hot metal and oil, the scented country air......sunlight on chrome, the blur of the landscape, every nerve aware!"
but then i stopped myself!
(here's where i admit to being a MASSIVE rush fan in my youth!.......is this font small enough? will anyone notice?)
oh and troy......i'm sure you'll find plenty of likeminded souls here who'll share your musical palette.....but for the record i've never liked DCD, XTC, ultravox or adam and the ants! but i do enjoy joy division, japan/sylvian, talk talk, siouxsie, wire, blacmange, new order, omd, and many other fine late 70's - 80's bands!
someotherian
Oct-2-02, 7:48 PM
a very old friend of mine was a big rush fan. he tried to turn me on to them, with a little success. i remember loving and buying the 'spirit of radio' single but that was about as far as things went. my friend asked me to go with him to a rush gig but i wasn't that interested. in retrospect i wish i had.
Wow mmmender, I NEVER woulda took you for a Rush fan..I too was one in highschool and outgrew their rigid songwriting style and got tired of Peart's rhyming couplets...and mostly didn't like their later stuff(presto and on)...but I had great fun with their music...there is something to be said for it. I know many people who HATE Peart's drumming, I can see why,he is such a showboater... but it still interesting to see in its own right.
For nostalgia's sake, I went with some friends to see Rush last month,they really did put on a good show...you pay for the production, but some of the screen animations with the music were just great. That all said, I think I am well past my Rush days...heh.
randomrob
Oct-2-02, 8:17 PM
troy- yr MORE than welcome
mmmender
Oct-2-02, 8:19 PM
ok, so the font wasn't small enough, was it? lol
yeah i had a blast with rush....brings back loads of memories of grade 8.....but i eventually lost interest in their music after the release of signals.
i think you're very right though scott when you mention their rigid songwriting. it took me quite some time to work out the whole neil peart/ayn rand thing.....but being a rush follower i was curious so began reading books like the fountainhead and atlas shrugged and nearly fainted. when i worked it all out.....it kinda gave me the creeps and put me off peart and the whole rush thing for a while. it just changed all of the lyrics and their meanings for me, which was a hard blow when you think they're about something else!
nowdays i'm able to listen, but mainly for sake of nostalgia......i put on my coral choker, my feathered earings, my denim jacket, my skin tight jeans, my rush concert shirt (complete with 3/4 white sleeves)......and roll with it (but only when no-one is looking of course!!);)
For a late 70's Metal trio RUSH wrote some of the smartest lrics since the Beattles if not more prfound!
"Listion to my music....see what it can do....theres something here that is strong as life and I know it will reach you......"
Oh yeah.....veriety is the spice of life.....:D
I listion to DCD and Cocteau twins to escape.....some times WORDS do get in the way!
I'm probably not the only one who loves to light some candles, poor some sweet wine and listion to Cocteau twins ....I bet?
mmmender
Oct-2-02, 8:27 PM
yeah but unfortunately the lyrics were a result of a verbose man's lack of resistance to brainwashing.
as for candles, red wine and cocteau twins?......i think i can safely speak on behalf of virtually everyone here when i say..........FUCK YEAH!
Me thinks I like it here!
Tonight a friend of mine will see the HUNGER for the first time!
Isn't that the first movie that made Vamps sexy? I'm sure that Lost boys was much later?
randomrob
Oct-2-02, 10:59 PM
first??! oh dear- yr age is showing, kid
maybe....but when people guess my age they say 25-27?.....but there are times when I feel like I'm 5000 years old.
Some may debate about the Cocteau LYRICS or influences but one thing remains clear.....
The Cocteau twins are one of the most original and uplifting bands in our time!
strangly enough, i like s club juniors.
I'm probably one of the few who consider later RUSH ('Hold your Fire' and 'Counterparts') to be just as solid as earlier RUSH. I think everything up to 1994 has stood the test of time - witness the fact they still sell out stadiums. Scott was right - they put on a fantastic show.
Steven
Personaly I have not really enjoyed anything that RUSH has done since POWER WINDOWS anything after that sounds like I'm getting science 101 in school. But they are still on my list of greats! like:
PINK FLOYD, ZEP, the WHO, YES, Emerson Lake & Palmer and my personal fav THE MOODY BLUES! and if it were not for 4AD they would be just about my mainstay in music besides Calssical, 50's & 60's and Brazialian jazz.
EDITORS NOTE:
I'm not really that old....I had older brothers and Parents who were into that stuff.....really!:D
....oh....don't worry about old.
you'll get there. "same as it ever was."
:cool: Z.
"......this is not my beautiful wife?
.......this is not my beautiful home?......."
Sorry I could not help myself!:p
REPLICESS
Oct-3-02, 1:58 PM
Originally posted by Troy
Is it safe to assume that Cocteau twins fans ...'for lack of better words'.... are fans of bands like [b]DCD and thier solo stuff and possibly started with the older stuff like Bauhaus, Echo and Siouxsie and the banshees?
I also dig XTC, ULTRAVOX, OMD-'older stuff', Japan/David Sylvian, Talk Talk, Adam and the Ants-'older stuff'.... to name a few.
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Yes - love ALL of the above, although I lost interest in Ultravox after John Foxx left.
someotherian
Oct-3-02, 2:07 PM
Originally posted by jana
strangly enough, i like s club juniors.
me too, but i couldn't eat a whole one... ;)
dynamine
Oct-3-02, 2:17 PM
teardrop explodes,dif juz,x mal deutchland,cure,chameleons,
eden,rain parade,human drama,mission uk,curve,kate bush,
damned,45 grave,christian death,screams for tina,glove,
tubeway army,visage,december flowers,audra,mira,
loveliescrushing,love spirals downwards,lycia,just to name a
few. oh,and notorious B.I.G.:D
REPLICESS
Oct-3-02, 2:43 PM
Originally posted by dynamine
,xmal deutchland,cure,curve,kate bush,
damned,christian death,glove,tubeway army,visage
All Class :D
I'm sure with some with some kiante and fava beans I'm not bad:p
Crap! Did I forget to mention Kate Bush and Steve Strange! AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Lets not forget Bill Nelson!
spanglemaker
Oct-3-02, 4:12 PM
Originally posted by dynamine
teardrop explodes,dif juz,x mal deutchland,cure,chameleons,
eden,rain parade,human drama,mission uk,curve,kate bush,
damned,45 grave,christian death,screams for tina,glove,
tubeway army,visage,december flowers,audra,mira,
loveliescrushing,love spirals downwards,lycia,just to name a
few. oh,and notorious B.I.G.:D
you like a lot of the same bands that I do especially x mal deutchland, visage, love spirals downwards (el pedregal is my fav). lycia , clan of xymox, dcd, diamanda galas, sow, src, slowdive, red house painters, and gues what?
at one of our halloween parties Lycia was our mystery guest as angie my evilest uncle's best friend is really good freinds with the singer. They live here in Arizona. who knows who it will be this year...I was promised that I would faint when I saw them soooooo
I cannot wait...to see (swallowing hard(get your minds out of that gutter) and crossing my fingers) who it is this year. October 25th is the big day and I move on halloween to California...wish me luck I might be off for about three weeks or so, settling in and all...I'll keep you all posted but that is still a month away...
dynamine
Oct-3-02, 8:05 PM
right on spangles,so.cal?anywho,hope the 25th is a blast!
seeingtree
Oct-3-02, 9:37 PM
I would say Stiff Little Fingers, Swans and the Velvet Underground are my three top bands along with the Cocteaus.
Other bands - the Cure, Japan, Cranes, Curve, Mark Stewart/the Pop Group, Young Gods, products of K422, Blast First and 4AD, Sonic Youth, RevCo and most WaxTrax output, Current 93, Dischord record label, Captain Beefheart, the Banshees and Bauhaus.
Other than them I tend to listen to a lot of the experimental stuff from Japan and stuff that The Wire mag covers.
I have quite a dislike for pop music other than kylie. I really can't abide most early 80s stuff, new romantic, heavy metal, nu metal and any metal. Can't stand nirvana, radiohead or any band that moans all the time..er..but really all music has a place as it comes out of some form of expression, whether manufactured or not, so I shouldn't be so hard on those bands.:)
Thackeray
Mar-4-06, 10:28 PM
Swans, Fetus, Chris and Cosey, Throbbing Gristle, Lengendary Pink Dots, This Mortal Coil, Smiths, Pheobe Snow, King Crimson, Bruce Cockburn, Robyn Hitchcock, The Traveling Knights of Oingo Boingo, Midnight oil, Tom Waits, Jazz Butcher, Kate Bush, Laurie Anderson, St. Germane, The Sundays, Spooky Tooth, P-Funk All Stars, Chet Baker, Greatful Dead, Bob Dylan, Dark White, The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Emersion Lake and Palmer, The Church, Yes, Soft Machine, Peter Gabriel with Genisis, Jethro Tull, Todd Rungren, Pink Floyd, Sid Barret, The Zombies, Captain Beefheart, Velvet Underground, MC 500 and 800 foot tall Jesus, Morphine, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, The Residents, TSOL, Sisters of Mercy, Sonic Youth, Smashing Pumpkins, Kansas, 10,000 Maniacs, Downey Mildew, The Band, Love and Rockets, the list goes and goes...
"Wilbur, you are definately my man!" I will now double my efforts to find a wife so you can DJ at our wedding.
Never heard of Dark White or Downey Mildew, though (shrug).
It's not a sound assumption. For example, I only like two other 4ad bands--Lush and Dif Juz. I think a better approach is to divide CT fans into two groups: fans who prefer pre-Victorialand CT and fans who like post-V CT music best. The former group is more likely to like DCD, Siouxsie, Bauhaus, etc. The latter group, is more likely to like shoegazing outfits, "dreampop," and stuff. Just my observation; I'm sure there's no way to know for certain.
I fit in more to the Victorialand and after period, because I think CT did their best work over those years. And I felt really out of it for (secretly) disliking "Treasure" until I heard that CT did, too (just something I heard, don't konw if it's true). I know many people find CT's later music more and more "accessible" (espec. 4CC), and therefore "not as good" as previous stuff, or whatever. But I'd disagree. Songs like Serpentskirt, Squeeze-Wax, Theft..., Blue Bell Knoll, the Itchy..., --and SO many others--are fucking masterpieces, and none of their older songs, in my opinion, approach the beauty of these.
But I don't pretend to "know" that the CT music I prefer is "better" than any other division of their music. It's just better to me. So I hope no one takes offense :)
OOPS, shame on me for not including Throwing Muses, Belly, Breeders, and their offshoot/solo projects in my 4ad list of music i love. i tend to forget they were/are with 4ad.
Oh, incidentally, my other favorite bands/singers include
Juliana Hatfield, Throwing Muses, Tanya Donnelly, Aimee Mann, Smiths, Trashcan Sinatras, Ocean Blue, the Verve, Kate Bush, Sundays, Kristin Hersh, Evan Dando, Dinosaur Jr., Husker Du, and a ton of others i can't think of right now--but that i love equally as much :) my memory. sigh.
mike_mhg
Mar-6-06, 3:40 AM
It's not a sound assumption. For example, I only like two other 4ad bands--Lush and Dif Juz. I think a better approach is to divide CT fans into two groups: fans who prefer pre-Victorialand CT and fans who like post-V CT music best. The former group is more likely to like DCD, Siouxsie, Bauhaus, etc. The latter group, is more likely to like shoegazing outfits, "dreampop," and stuff. Just my observation; I'm sure there's no way to know for certain.
I fit in more to the Victorialand and after period, because I think CT did their best work over those years. And I felt really out of it for (secretly) disliking "Treasure" until I heard that CT did, too (just something I heard, don't konw if it's true). I know many people find CT's later music more and more "accessible" (espec. 4CC), and therefore "not as good" as previous stuff, or whatever. But I'd disagree. Songs like Serpentskirt, Squeeze-Wax, Theft..., Blue Bell Knoll, the Itchy..., --and SO many others--are fucking masterpieces, and none of their older songs, in my opinion, approach the beauty of these.
But I don't pretend to "know" that the CT music I prefer is "better" than any other division of their music. It's just better to me. So I hope no one takes offense :)
I've got to agree with every word of this. Excellently put.
I love all their children equally however old they are (M&K expected)
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Yes - love ALL of the above, although I lost interest in Ultravox after John Foxx left.
at last I have found someone who thinks the same as me!!!!
I was beginning to doubt my own judgement!!!!
Midge Ure?? pah!!!!!!
unfortunately, I note it only took me 3 years to find the post from Replicess!!!
oh, woe is me!
moeism
Mar-20-06, 12:08 AM
Funnily enough, I assumed that the majority of CT fans liked Garlands and HOH over the other stuff, simply because to me, it seemed "obvious" how much better they were in comparison to all of their other releases. I was surprised to find out otherwise upon joining this group and over the last few weeks I havea ctually been obsessing over Garlands and HOH, but have also acquired a stronger liking for HOLV and such. And I admit I do fit that category of Garlands/HOH appreciators that enjoys bands like Siouxsie, DCD, etc. but I still love Treasure, BBK and HOLV
Das Ich
Mar-20-06, 2:59 AM
Bauhouse
Wow, well why not...
This is the house of the Bau, a tiny family from the Kentucky...
Sorry this is just french humour hihi...
aileanmac
Mar-20-06, 4:49 AM
i've written this somewhere else here, but i "arrived" at CT (in 1986) via Culture Club (1983/84), Propaganda (1985) and Kate Bush (5 August 1985 performing Running Up That Hill on Wogan). I became interested in DCD and Siouxsie after discovering CT, but only listen to CT and Kate Bush obsessively. DCD and Propaganda occasionally, Siouxsie and Culture Club never.
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