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MCocteau
Oct-15-02, 10:25 AM
Mr Guthrie and Mr Raymonde are looking for a confirmated female vocalist able to replace Mrs Fraser.Who would you chose?

Baddy2shoos
Oct-15-02, 10:40 AM
Obviously me

MCocteau
Oct-15-02, 11:07 AM
I like a lot all the Hooverphonic music, but the first album is astonishing...Liesje Sadonius left the band shortly after, but she took all the ethereal magic and victorialand atmospheres with her...Check songs like Inhaler or Innervoice, you'll see what I mean...

dynamine
Oct-15-02, 11:28 AM
wasn't she kicked out of hooverphonic?,go figure.Liesje has
a great voice,but a total mistake to get a replacement for Liz,can't
imagine anyone else singing "pink orange red".

someotherian
Oct-15-02, 11:30 AM
where's the 'no-one can' option?

MCocteau
Oct-15-02, 11:45 AM
I think it's the same history for Liesje and Liz ..they wanted peace...could you please vote, for God's sake LOL Of course nobody can replace Liz! Though we have a lot of Elizabeth in here...Liesje, Alison Elizabeth Goldfrapp, Beth Gibbons...:)

watchlar
Oct-15-02, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by someotherian
where's the 'no-one can' option?

I know I know I know ian....i feel a tinge of sacrilege even looking at this thread....

W

dynamine
Oct-15-02, 1:23 PM
father maron:"there is only one"

someotherian
Oct-15-02, 2:22 PM
thanks for adding the 'none of the above' option, MC (or leesa, if it was you).
at least now i have something to vote for. besides, i only know what 3 of them sound like!!

ScottL
Oct-15-02, 6:09 PM
I woulda voted for the 2nd Hooverphonic singer(Geike Arnaert) over any of these...but it was a toss up with Anneli...I'm the loner again(on both points). I like Liesje vocals too, and especially the mixing/fx but on the whole I prefer Geike, esp. on Blue Wonder Powder Milk, their best IMO. Still I'd love to hear Anneli as she was in the Whiteout days playing w/Simon and Robin.

So no one can replace Liz...but I'd love to see Simon and Robin together working with a female vocalist I like....I'm all for it...I wouldn't call the new lineup CT..but I'd like to see it happen. I also see no sacrilege, aside from the fact CT is a band not a religion for me, because Liz decided she was done with CT...so be it...I'm starting to like being the loner, kinda cozy once you get used to it

MCocteau
Oct-15-02, 7:53 PM
My poll sucked or you're not very imaginative people :( I begin to understand Phil LOL Just kidding, I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

glint
Oct-15-02, 9:00 PM
Agree with your Anneli choice! I thought Simon and her were to collaborate again sometime?...

watchlar
Oct-15-02, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by MCocteau
My poll sucked or you're not very imaginative people :( I begin to understand Phil LOL Just kidding, I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL MCocteau...no no no..your poll didn't suck...i just think it's something many of us can never imagine...a replacement for liz...now a new band with a different singer maybe....

W

ScottL
Oct-16-02, 1:06 AM
Yeah, I enjoyed it MCocteau, thanks....I'll admit I automatically reinterpreted as "Which of these singers would you favor to collaborate with Simon and Robin in the future?"seeing no need to retain the CT name if it isn't CT...and in that sense not as far out...

I'm not to sure what the group dynamic was with Hooverphonic over the years and how and why they changed their sound...I have only the CD's, no other real knowledge.


Yeah Glint, I've been wanting to get a hold of that song Anneli did with Simon...haven't heard it yet...I've mentioned other times, I think songs like Unicorn, Intravenous and Blank Sheets could have really used the SR bass touch...for added warmth...

superblast
Oct-16-02, 1:20 AM
it would be interesting to hear both simon and robin get together with a new vocalist... i just don't know how i feel about the whole 'replacement' or 'new liz' idea. it's the same with CT covers - i just don't see the point in attempting to sing what was originally sung by such a unique and talented vocalist. surely the end product is bound to be second-rate. (sorry to go off this topic a bit... i haven't heard many CT covers and i don't think i really want to.)

so, yeah, attempting to 'recreate' the cocteau twins doesn't make sense to me but a completely new concept/band with robin and simon and a different vocalist could be good.
:)

also, something else this thread has made me think of is the comparison that i've seen made a few times between the cocteaus and the cranberries... i don't see it at all myself. i haven't heard much cranberries for a while though.

Lucibelle
Oct-16-02, 11:32 PM
No, it has to be me!:D I want to do it! Scott! You know it's true! I must make music with Simon and Robin! I could never actually 'replace' Liz, but I believe that I could do justice to Robin and Simon's incredible music! Vote for meeeeeeeeee!!!!! (ok, I'm only half-serious, here, but then again, I'm half serious. Put down your weapons! Lower........ lower........);)

glint
Oct-16-02, 11:46 PM
No, that would be cool! You could get us demos, exclusive mixes, etc. :D

Lucibelle
Oct-16-02, 11:52 PM
You bet! You'd all get autographed copies!:D

"No Biff...You leave her alone...." LMFAO!!!

glint
Oct-17-02, 12:16 AM
yeah, it was either that or; " Oh!...... You mean your gonna go touch her on her...." :D

Lucibelle
Oct-17-02, 12:43 AM
I like what you ended up with better.;)

glint
Oct-17-02, 12:50 AM
ya can't beat Ned's hippy parents, though! :)

REPLICESS
Oct-17-02, 8:33 AM
Kelli Ali (Dayton) would be cool :)

Phil Lawton
Oct-17-02, 8:43 AM
Range and soul - gotta be the Goldfrapp gal.

halation
Oct-18-02, 12:34 AM
How about Liz Fraser.

Sorry, have to say it's a stupid question.

Hlegister
Oct-18-02, 3:12 PM
Let's face it there will never be a replacement for my favorite female vocalist. But Sophie Bancroft has a great voice and a nice sound...plus she is Scottish!!! :rolleyes: :p :D

randomrob
Oct-20-02, 2:14 PM
Alison Krauss?
Al Jarreau?
Who's the chick from 'Hugo Largo'? Shed be purr-fect!:D

Baddy2shoos
Oct-21-02, 10:45 AM
Alison Krauss doesnt have the power to replicate anything that Liz did although she has a really pretty voice

Tinspur
Oct-5-05, 6:56 AM
A very subjective question, as it really is impossible to replace Liz.....

But for the sake of frivolous speculation, I'd say the the best choice to mirror Liz's gifts would be Kristy Thirsk.

ArnoldZiffel
Oct-5-05, 7:17 AM
Andrea Lewis from The Darling Buds

ArnoldZiffel
Oct-5-05, 7:22 AM
Robin Guthrie
Simon Raymonde
Andrea Lewis

The Cocteau Triplets

by the sea
Oct-5-05, 7:22 AM
The Sugarbabes

ArnoldZiffel
Oct-5-05, 7:31 AM
Robin Guthrie
Simon Raymonde
David Gavurin
Harriet Wheeler

The Sunday Cocteaus

New CD to be released: "Tribute To The Carpenters"

by the sea
Oct-5-05, 7:33 AM
The Sugarbabes

plink
Oct-5-05, 7:38 AM
antony (of the johnsons) does a great take on the liz delivery, on stuff like candy says on lou reed's animal seranade. and a couple of tracks from the ep's (just one star and the horror has gone).

ArnoldZiffel
Oct-5-05, 7:41 AM
Robin Guthrie
Simon Raymonde
Gweneth Paltrow
Huey Lewis

The Cocteau Quartet

Paul TD
Oct-5-05, 8:28 AM
Amazing that so many people agree in essence that none of the suggested names would be a suitable singer for the music that Robin & Simon used to make. But if they re-formed CTs now, presumably their music would have continued to evolve, so we should be looking for a different singer to take it forward.

So :-

replacement for Liz in old Cocteaus - no such beast.

new singer for new Cocteaus - Alison Goldfrapp (if electro-poppier), Siobhan Donaghy (if more seriously introspective), k d lang (for a country twang) or Sheryl Crow (altogether rockier).

Heh - I'd buy the CD, wouldn't you?

Simonp
Oct-5-05, 9:14 AM
Cocteau Twins were Simon Raymonds, Robin Guthrie and Liz Fraser. If they reformed with out Liz and a new singer it wouldn't be Cocteau Twins. How could it?

ArnoldZiffel
Oct-5-05, 9:42 AM
Fleetwood Mac changed their lineup a dozen times from 1967 to the late 1990s.
Remember Peter Green, Bob Welch, etc. They remained Fleetwood Mac. Of course, there was a big lawsuit in 1974 between the original Fleetwood Mac and another group calling itself Fleetwood Mac. Also, the group Chicago was sued by a former member over copyright stuff. That group has changed lineups at least a dozen times.
I think there are only one or two originals out of the original eight. This sort of stuff keeps the lawyers busy.

Simonp
Oct-5-05, 9:50 AM
Yeh I know what you're saying but it was Liz's voice that was unique about the band and no other singer could replace her (or Simon or Robin for that matter)

ArnoldZiffel
Oct-5-05, 10:10 AM
I agree. Any band that Simon and Robin were to form should use a new name. For example: Cocteau Triplets featuring Britney Spears. Britney could sing and dance using a wireless microphone while Robin and Simon worked the insturments. I just hope that you Brits have a lot of eye make-up over there. Ms. Spears uses 430,000 pounds per day.

Simonp
Oct-5-05, 10:15 AM
I just hope that you Brits have a lot of eye make-up over there. .

We Brits never wear make up - what do you think we are, a bunch of faggots?

ArnoldZiffel
Oct-5-05, 10:40 AM
Wait until Ms. Fraser hears about Britney! She'll turn green with jealousy and change her attitude completely.

postlibyan
Oct-5-05, 10:47 AM
Robin Guthrie
Simon Raymonde
Gweneth Paltrow
Huey Lewis roflmao

i would love to hear the Cocteau Quartet take on I Want a New Drug!

PJK

miles
Oct-5-05, 10:55 AM
Amazing that so many people agree in essence that none of the suggested names would be a suitable singer for the music that Robin & Simon used to make. But if they re-formed CTs now, presumably their music would have continued to evolve, so we should be looking for a different singer to take it forward.

So :-

replacement for Liz in old Cocteaus - no such beast.

new singer for new Cocteaus - Alison Goldfrapp (if electro-poppier), Siobhan Donaghy (if more seriously introspective), k d lang (for a country twang) or Sheryl Crow (altogether rockier).

Heh - I'd buy the CD, wouldn't you?
Cherl Crow?!

:help:

E-Lo
Oct-5-05, 11:47 AM
OMG please take off that whiney goat Dolores O'Riordan and replace her with Faye Wong

Simonp
Oct-5-05, 11:52 AM
You no like Dolores?

ZOMBIEEEEEEEEES

bearclaw
Oct-5-05, 12:18 PM
being a person with absolutely no sense of humour - i have to say that this thread to me is utter nonsense its bad enough that we got people saying whichs songs theyd like to vote off of cocteau twins albums to then read who sshould replace liz its an utter oxymoronic question and i'm an utter fool for getting drawn into it !! DUH !!!

and ps a friendly note to simon P please refrain from using the word faggot is offensive you wouldn't say the n word here would you ? it makes no difference to me whether or not you are gay yourself [ as i am ] cos frankly if you are then you should know better and if your not then please show some resepct to those of us who are - ermm rant over

to all a very good night

zepolant
Oct-5-05, 12:53 PM
How about Lisa Gerrard from Dead Can Dance? That would be spiffy.

E-Lo
Oct-5-05, 1:25 PM
You no like Dolores?

ZOMBIEEEEEEEEES

OMG that song is horrid. Someone please call the IRA on her

dynamine
Oct-5-05, 8:25 PM
dolores sucks.

E-Lo
Oct-5-05, 8:29 PM
Maybe "Dolores" means "donkey" in Gaelic?

chaco75
Oct-5-05, 8:32 PM
Maybe "Dolores" means "donkey" in Gaelic?

I agree, she shouldn't even have the honor of being considered for a replacement even if it's a joke. I can't stand the cranberries one bit.

andylama
Oct-5-05, 8:52 PM
Isn't "Dolores" actually Spanish for "pains"?

If so, how fitting.

petroldarling
Oct-5-05, 11:29 PM
ugh, it would never be the same. there's no contest. i mean, there's a reason that siobhan de mare didn't get called to continue cocteau twins with robin or something. if it's a different vocalist, it's a DIFFERENT PROJECT.

other band members in some cases, in some groups can be replaced or dropped (even if i don't like it - weep, the cure, weep) but once you axe the vocalist you're done, in my opinion. or, i guess in this case - once the vocalist axes the rest of the group!

petroldarling
Oct-5-05, 11:30 PM
but i won't lie, i'd love to hear alison goldfrapp do a cocteau twins cover

elysium
Oct-6-05, 12:33 AM
OMG please take off that whiney goat Dolores O'Riordan and replace her with Faye Wong
crying "whiney goat" oh man. *snicker*

E-Lo
Oct-6-05, 2:48 AM
but i won't lie, i'd love to hear alison goldfrapp do a cocteau twins cover
Alli, please claim your third of the Nobel. That would be a brilliant cover

kaini
Oct-6-05, 1:18 PM
ugh, it would never be the same. there's no contest. i mean, there's a reason that siobhan de mare didn't get called to continue cocteau twins with robin or something. if it's a different vocalist, it's a DIFFERENT PROJECT.

other band members in some cases, in some groups can be replaced or dropped (even if i don't like it - weep, the cure, weep) but once you axe the vocalist you're done, in my opinion. or, i guess in this case - once the vocalist axes the rest of the group!


I agree, yet there are examples of bands who succeeded in changing their singers only: Pink Floyd, Joy Division/ New Order...

And these interesting examples that are Massive Attack or Charles Webster whose music is instantly recognisable in spite of having no official singer.

petroldarling
Oct-6-05, 1:49 PM
'tis a good point, kaini, and i was thinking of that... but i consider new order/joy division to be different bands entirely but with intersecting members :) i never have really listened to much pink floyd so i won't pretend to have an opinion on that. it's just my wierd opinion, haha. i think a lot of it was brought on by these very forums and so many 'VIOLET INDIANA IS OK BUT IT IS NOT COCTEAU TWINS SO I DON'T LIKE IT' posts because HI IT'S A DIFFERENT BAND THANKS

kaini
Oct-6-05, 1:57 PM
I didn't use examples of bands I particularly liked (although I like M.A., Charles Webster & Joy Division, in fact).

I couldn't agree more about the CT / VI thing. These are entirely different bands. But it was difficult not to compare at all...

Oh, and I'd like to listen to a Goldfrapp / Guthrie collaboration, for sure. Good idea.

Thackeray
Oct-6-05, 2:02 PM
I am so Goddamn Fucking HAPPY nobody mentioned Eddie Brickel !!!

Liz' because because because !

Ghosty
Oct-6-05, 2:05 PM
The only one that comes close is Faye Wong, but the stuff she did on her own is corny, so she could never be a full CT member. She could never compose or arrange vocal melodies like Liz did.

fornasetti
Oct-6-05, 2:19 PM
I like Dolores.

Moya xx
Oct-6-05, 2:46 PM
I don't think anyone could ever replace Liz, but....

Julianne Regan has a beautiful voice, and she's had to get a day job, now that All About Eve have split, again :(

E-Lo
Oct-6-05, 2:54 PM
I don't think anyone could ever replace Liz, but....

Julianne Regan has a beautiful voice, and she's had to get a day job, now that All About Eve have split, again :(

Ooh good one. I feel so bad for Julianne sometimes. I get the impression that she struggles a lot but she still has the strength to put out quality music and her voice is like butta

miles
Oct-6-05, 5:51 PM
I agree, yet there are examples of bands who succeeded in changing their singers only: Pink Floyd, Joy Division/ New Order...

And these interesting examples that are Massive Attack or Charles Webster whose music is instantly recognisable in spite of having no official singer.

Sorry I gota go with Ali on this one... Joy Division and New Order atwo tottaly different bands to me and as far as Pink Floyd goes... Syd Barrett was horrible... so when you get rid of a bad singer is another thing entirely .... I dont think you can compair these topics to CT....

theFLIR
Oct-7-05, 12:06 PM
The story I heard why Liesje Sardonious had left the band was she was only 17 when she recorded the album, and her parents wouldnt let her tour the world. So they found a replacement that would... she is a much better singer than the second one... especially if you hear bootlegs of the second singer covering the first albums songs... she cant hit them high notes like liesje could...

Chora
Oct-7-05, 12:42 PM
ew...to replace Liz? It is like replacing Siouxie, Robert Smith, Morrissey...you know what I mean?

You know there are loads of female who workship Liz. Two primary I know are Diedre Dubois from Ekova and Anneli Drecker from Bel Canto.

DREXER
Oct-9-05, 1:43 AM
There probably wont be a new Cocteau Twins, but if Robin and Simon are looking for a second guitarist and back-up vocals for a female singer? I'm there. Has to be a female "Front Woman/singer." I'm a softy for the sound of a female's voice in music.

Nakedprey
Oct-10-05, 1:23 AM
I can't see Cocteau Twins without Liz. Not that Robin and Simon aren't entitled to doing music with a new lead singer. I just don't think it should be Cocteau Twins. But who am I to decide.

Nakedprey
Oct-10-05, 1:25 AM
I didn't realize Hooverphonic had a different singer on the first album. Then again, I own every album by them except for the first. Do you all not like Geike Aernart or whatever her name is?

theFLIR
Oct-14-05, 10:07 PM
I think Liesje Sardonious blows her out of the water....

But shes still a good singer.. You need to pick up the first album.... sooooo goood.

DREXER
Oct-15-05, 2:19 AM
Van Halen tried to change their "Front Man." Look at where it left them.

Elizabeth was Cocteau Twins. Same if Robin or Simon were to be replaced. Those three were something that can't be replaced.

andylama
Oct-15-05, 2:50 PM
I like the Van Halen analogy, Drex, I really do. Although David Lee Roth is high in the pantheon of mega-wankers and sad has-beens, he was the only frontman that worked for Van Halen. After they parted ways, they were all less than the sum of their parts.

Thackeray
Oct-15-05, 4:52 PM
There probably wont be a new Cocteau Twins, but if Robin and Simon are looking for a second guitarist and back-up vocals for a female singer? I'm there. Has to be a female "Front Woman/singer." I'm a softy for the sound of a female's voice in music.


Drex...

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DREXER
Oct-16-05, 4:36 AM
I like the Van Halen analogy, Drex, I really do. Although David Lee Roth is high in the pantheon of mega-wankers and sad has-beens, he was the only frontman that worked for Van Halen. After they parted ways, they were all less than the sum of their parts.
Van Halen tried Sammy Hagar Jr.

andylama
Oct-16-05, 4:47 AM
Van Halen tried Sammy Hagar Jr.
I realize that. He sucked, bad. So did the utterly forgettable guy they floated after that. All failures, languishing in the shadow of the affable rock-n-roll clown that was "Diamond Dave" Roth.

Do I sound like a fan? Actually, I'm not. Pretty indifferent, really. Just thought VH was fun, back in 'the olden days'.

DREXER
Oct-16-05, 4:52 AM
I realize that. He sucked, bad. So did the utterly forgettable guy they floated after that. All failures, languishing in the shadow of the affable rock-n-roll clown that was "Diamond Dave" Roth.

Do I sound like a fan? Actually, I'm not. Pretty indifferent, really. Just thought VH was fun, back in 'the olden days'.

Exactly my point. Without Liz, Cocteau Twins will never be again.

Maybe that opinion is based on my ever so longing crush on Elizabeth?

andylama
Oct-16-05, 5:48 AM
I don't share that crush with you. I'm more in the "Liz Who?" camp.

Guthrie rocks my world nowadays.

Thackeray
Oct-16-05, 2:59 PM
Exactly my point. Without Liz, Cocteau Twins will never be again.

Maybe that opinion is based on my ever so longing crush on Elizabeth?


She's married! Leave her alone!

shimmerfoil
Oct-24-05, 8:28 AM
Hey, I know I've been away for a long while, but this really happening or is this poll just hypothetical?

4CC
Oct-24-05, 8:40 AM
Hypothetical i'm afraid. Liz is actually returning to the Twins to play ukelele and triangle.

shimmerfoil
Oct-24-05, 8:46 AM
Hypothetical i'm afraid. Liz is actually returning to the Twins to play ukelele and triangle.

I always thought she wouls make a mean triangle player!! That'll come in handy when they're playing songs from Victorialand live!!

DREXER
Oct-24-05, 10:48 AM
Hypothetical i'm afraid. Liz is actually returning to the Twins to play ukelele and triangle.
Liz is returning for a CT show. Victorialand is the right album but I heard that she's going to stand in the back of the stage by a drummer for the live performance with a big stick for the whole show. Until the last note of the last song, Lazy Calm, Where she will give the crash symbol one good strike at the end. lol ;-)

DREXER
Oct-24-05, 11:27 AM
I realize that. He sucked, bad. So did the utterly forgettable guy they floated after that. All failures, languishing in the shadow of the affable rock-n-roll clown that was "Diamond Dave" Roth.

Do I sound like a fan? Actually, I'm not. Pretty indifferent, really. Just thought VH was fun, back in 'the olden days'.
I can't stand Van Halen either. Van Halen tried to keep the band with a new singer and had to still remain Van Halen because it's Eddy and his brother's name. I guess their stuck with it. CT have no ties like that. At least I think. The Beatles ended for good when they lost John Lennon. Stupid Yoko.

The band is based on the members of the band that have to commit to each other as that band. Once all eyes are turned and society has fallen in love with the band, the loss of any member of that band is missed. What originally attracted a listener can't feel the same way they felt about the band when they first fell for them and loses the appreciation of the band but not the member's new projects. In conclusion, as my opinion, the band are the members that have a the name. Take one away, it's no longer that band and the name.

"The Merriam - Webster Dictionary: 1band \"band \ n 1 : something that binds, ties, or goes around." When a member of a group is gone, it is no longer bound. It becomes something different.

Phil Lawton
Oct-24-05, 11:41 AM
I can't stand Van Halen either. Van Halen tried to keep the band with a new singer and had to still remain Van Halen because it's Eddy and his brother's name. I guess their stuck with it. CT have no ties like that. At least I think. The Beatles ended for good when they lost John Lennon. Stupid Yoko.

The band is based on the members of the band that have to commit to each other as that band. Once all eyes are turned and society has fallen in love with the band, the loss of any member of that band is missed. What originally attracted a listener can't feel the same way they felt about the band when they first fell for them and loses the appreciation of the band but not the member's new projects. In conclusion, as my opinion, the band are the members that have a the name. Take one away, it's no longer that band and the name.

"The Merriam - Webster Dictionary: 1band \"band \ n 1 : something that binds, ties, or goes around." When a member of a group is gone, it is no longer bound. It becomes something different.

What about Yes? They went through numerous changes in line-up and still survived.

The Doobie Brothers?

The Stranglers?

The Mothers Of Invention?

Clannad?

The Nolan Sisters?

Red Hot Chilli Peppers?

Tears For Fears?

I can see how your analogy works with duos or trios (apart from Tears For Fears, who actually became better for losing Kurt Smith), but bands mutate and change members often and still carry on.

DREXER
Oct-24-05, 11:58 AM
What about Yes? They went through numerous changes in line-up and still survived.

The Doobie Brothers?

The Stranglers?

The Mothers Of Invention?

Clannad?

The Nolan Sisters?

Red Hot Chilli Peppers?

Tears For Fears?

I can see how your analogy works with duos or trios (apart from Tears For Fears, who actually became better for losing Kurt Smith), but bands mutate and change members often and still carry on.
The fan likes the band better than the lost member. Usually it's up to themselves if they want to move on or not. If the glory that they have is too priceless by the limelight, the band might stick together.

The worst mess is the family tree of "The Dammed." Have you ever seen that shit? people love the name more than the lost member and the continuing band must have agreed if they continue. Without being honted by the memory of an old member. :ghost:

dprid
Oct-24-05, 1:40 PM
The worst mess is the family tree of "The Dammed." Have you ever seen that shit? people love the name more than the lost member and the continuing band must have agreed if they continue. Without being honted by the memory of an old member.

The Damned certainly used to get through bass players like you and I get through cornflake packets :D At the moment though they feature Captain Sensible and Dave Vanian, so that's half the original group :)

watchlar
Oct-24-05, 2:19 PM
wow allison won the poll, well besides the obvious none of the above option...i love her to death obviously but i think she would be terrible as a replacement. no one can replace liz, but a close second would be Faye Wong :)...third would be anneli

Mackey
Nov-10-05, 1:57 PM
dolores o'riordan is an interesting suggestion. if robin and simon were going to do this for certain, and i had a say, i guess i'd have to choose harriet wheeler (?) from the Sundays. But the Mandalay girl would probably be good, too. I have to say, I'm not a fan of the singer in violet indiana.

just as a transpositional wonderment, i think it'd be super interesting to see what natalie merchant would sound like in liz's place in ct :weird:

Tinspur
Nov-10-05, 4:08 PM
To voice the majority opinion, Liz is irreplaceable, few singers today truly understand or have the gift of phonoaesthetics and mouth music that is central to the CT sound. This is also why Liz was perfect for the LOTR soundtracks, for Tolkien instilled in his works a sense of phonoaesthetics as well.

There are only a couple of female vocalists that come to mind (aside from the ones already mentioned in the poll of this thread) that seem to have the vocal range and experience in mouth music to near-replicate Liz's sound. The first is Talitha Mackenzie, founder of, what else, the group Mouth Music. Although her music is steeped in Gaelic tradition, I think she could make the transition to etheral pop (in theory). The other is Miriam Stockley, renowned for her role in the Adiemus series of albums. She has quite the vocal range although her palette consists of tribal and world-ethno strains, so her inclusion in CT might be a stretch.

andylama
Nov-10-05, 6:47 PM
...Talitha Mackenzie, founder of, what else, the group Mouth Music.
...only to leave very early on. Still, Mo-Di is a wonderful ethno-pop album, even without her. Martin Swan got a bit too commersh after that, although very polished.

Did you dig Crathadh 't 'aodaich?

ScottL
Nov-10-05, 7:25 PM
...only to leave very early on. Still, Mo-Di is a wonderful ethno-pop album, even without her. Martin Swan got a bit too commersh after that, although very polished.

Did you dig Crathadh 't 'aodaich?

I only have the debut album, which I've had for a while...never got around to getting more....may check it out

andylama
Nov-10-05, 10:40 PM
Mo-Di is excellent; less folky than the debut, but very hip 'world-beat' with an electronic dance sensibility. It's not all Gaelic, either. Touches of Africa and Eastern Europe feature boldly and effectively.

As far as I know, everything they did after that crossed the line into commercial cliche (think "Scottish fly girls gettin' down with their bad selves!!!"), so I'd avoid that.

But by all means, get Mo-Di. It's great.

Tinspur
Nov-11-05, 8:00 AM
Andy, I've been meaning to compliment you on that avatar, always cracks me up when I see it....

Mo-Di is a brilliant album, and all this talk has induced me to order it from Amazon (my mouth music collection up to this point has consisted of a few songs off different compilations). It is an intriguing mesh of world beat/tribal/dance rhythms that deserved a top spot in the billboard charts when it was released.

Mackenzie's solo work is also of merit as well, notbaly her first two albums Solas and Spiorad. The former is very similar to Mo-Di in sound and structure, while the latter reverts back to her love of traditional Scottish Gaelic.

She is currently touring the US in support of a new project (she's a native New Yorker, go figure), I doubt she will make it anywhere near Houston but would love to hear her live....

andylama
Nov-11-05, 11:12 AM
Thanks, Tins. I ought to check out Solas (not to be confused with the band called Solas, I assume).

I must admit, Mouth Music has put out at least one relatively recent album that I paid no attention to, but Sea Life was such a huge disappointment that I disregarded everthing that came after that.

Still, for anyone who enjoys the likes of Afro Celt Sound System, really owes it to themselves to check out Mo-Di.

Thanks for the recommendations!

A

ScottL
Nov-11-05, 1:48 PM
I'll check out Mo-Di...maybe some of her solo stuff too....

I have the Vols 1-3 of Afrocelt...I like some of it...more often as background...I like the concept but am pretty lukewarm about the actual recorded material.

But speaking of the unrelated band you mentioned Seamus Egan's Solas, I love Karan Casey's singing and I think Solas is a terrific celtic group musically...even some of the uppity reel's which aren't my thing, they tend to do them in a way I find less irritating. I really like the two albums of their's I have...been meaning to grab more.

andylama
Nov-11-05, 2:07 PM
You'll like it, Scott. "Birnam" is a particularly great track--the title is wordplay (a place in Scotland, but also "burn 'em"), and it's an ecological tune about forests (but thankfully not preachy or sanctimonious, as you might expect). More of a bittersweet lament (how Gaelic!). The singing is excellent girly harmony dreampop. Gooood stuff!

Afro Celts are good, very polished world-beat, but grossly overproduced if anything. Mo-Di is also polished, but superbly produced.

Paul TD
Nov-18-05, 9:55 AM
Wow - over 70 votes in this long-running poll. Is that like near to being a record for this forum, Leesa? If not, which poll (or topic) has actually inspired the most response or interest over the past few years?

postlibyan
Nov-21-05, 3:43 PM
actually, as of this moment, 239 people have responded to the "Cocteau Fans and Sexual Identity" poll. that is one of the most heavily voted pols i know of... a Moderator might be able to point out polls that are even more popular.

PJK

MCocteau
Nov-23-05, 12:10 PM
To voice the majority opinion, Liz is irreplaceable, few singers today truly understand or have the gift of phonoaesthetics and mouth music that is central to the CT sound. This is also why Liz was perfect for the LOTR soundtracks, for Tolkien instilled in his works a sense of phonoaesthetics as well.

and why the hell it's always Enya who's got the single and the promotion? with the same music like in the 80's!

sfjim1
Nov-23-05, 2:55 PM
one of my favorite lady-singers-Liz contemporary that i never hear mentioned is the fabulous Toni Halliday, singer for CURVE. let's go for THE COCTEAU QUINTUPLETS.....robin, simon, liz, sinnead, toni, barbara(S)....as in Streisand..... :baby: