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So I received an e-mail today at cocteautwins.com from a Brazilian guy who "was goth for 7 years and used drugs before JESUS CHRIST freed me...Jesus loves you, too."
I'm paraphrasing because the English wasn't so perfect, but that was the gist of it.
First of all, they aren't and weren't GOTH. Second, just because some born-again freak perceives them as GOTH doesn't mean they're going to hell or something. The souls of Liz, Robin and Simon, IMHO, hardly need "saving" any more than anyone else's does.
He also sent "before" and "after" pictures, which were rather funny. Should I post them, or would that be too mean? I don't want to be mean, because the letter was intended, I think, in good cheer. I just was annoyed at the "goth" vs. "Jesus Christ freed me" bullshit.
Michael
Maybe sending him one of those "Jesus Loves You, But Everyone Else Thinks You Are An Asshole" bumper stickers?
Where can I get one of those?? I'm going to Florida for a few days to visit my family, and I'd LOVE to plaster that sticker all over the place.
M
I just did a quick Google search and found a similar version, substituting idiot for asshole:
http://www.stickerzone.com/14jeslovyoub.html
multymfoiled
Jul-23-04, 3:43 PM
The photos sound interesting...How could he think Jesus wouldn't have loved the Cocteau Twins, expectially since they were called "the voice of god" or something like that.
dynamine
Jul-23-04, 3:56 PM
WWJD
Clayton39
Jul-23-04, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by mborum
He also sent "before" and "after" pictures, which were rather funny. Should I post them, or would that be too mean?
Michael
Please do...
Lucibelle
Jul-24-04, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by E-Lo
Maybe sending him one of those "Jesus Loves You, But Everyone Else Thinks You Are An Asshole" bumper stickers?
Or how about the "The problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them under long enough" bumper stickers? ;)
andylama
Jul-24-04, 1:15 AM
Originally posted by Lucibelle
Or how about the "The problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them under long enough" bumper stickers? ;)
OW! Good one! Outrageous, but great!
This suddenly came to mind:
WSWJGA
What Shoes Would Jesus Gaze At?
After the Lord worked His magic...
roflmao
So he went from Azrael to Izod all in the blink of a crucifix
Lucibelle
Jul-24-04, 1:36 PM
So tell me again, my motivation is WHAT?? roflmao
Clayton39
Jul-24-04, 10:19 PM
roflmao roflmao roflmao
Awwwwwww... look, he recieved a little trophy too! And who says that miracles never happen?
etc etc
Jul-26-04, 9:56 AM
I don't know, but this all seems to be a little bit in bad taste.........maybe one level above making fun of retarded people .....just my two cents.......
Phil Lawton
Jul-26-04, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by etc etc
I don't know, but this all seems to be a little bit in bad taste.........maybe one level above making fun of retarded people
And.....?
Pale Clouded
Jul-26-04, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by E-Lo
roflmao
So he went from Azrael to Izod all in the blink of a crucifix
crying
etc etc
Jul-26-04, 1:50 PM
Phil,
The blood is already in the water........I don't know why I bothered......just seems like our 'christian brother' is getting sucker punched.
Clayton39
Jul-26-04, 3:33 PM
Originally posted by etc etc
Phil,
The blood is already in the water........I don't know why I bothered......just seems like our 'christian brother' is getting sucker punched.
As far as Ive heard, he initiated the conflict... or did Mborum e-mail him?
etc etc
Jul-26-04, 4:40 PM
Originally posted by Phil Lawton
And.....?
But and Or will get you pretty far......conjunction junction, what's your function?
Phil Lawton
Jul-27-04, 3:46 AM
Originally posted by etc etc
But and Or will get you pretty far......conjunction junction, what's your function?
Time for your cup of milky tea and lie-down, Ted.
JohnnyV
Jul-27-04, 7:39 AM
Originally posted by etc etc
But and Or will get you pretty far......conjunction junction, what's your function?
Originally posted by Phil Lawton
Time for your cup of milky tea and lie-down, Ted.
Phil, you're missing out on one true piece Americana entertainment.
Phil Lawton
Jul-27-04, 8:29 AM
Originally posted by JohnnyV
Phil, you're missing out on one true piece Americana entertainment.
'Tis the story of my life, Johnno.
etc etc
Jul-27-04, 9:37 AM
Phil, I kind of figured you didn't get schoolhouse rock on your telly back in the 1970's in yonder Albion-----you missed a really good song in that 'conjunction junction'---no wonder Americans in their 30's are a little confused, nothing like Saturday morning cartoon education to turn us into model citizens------anyways, Phil, I still could probably use a good milky tea and a long lie down!
etc etc
Jul-27-04, 9:43 AM
Hey Johnny, we both dug schoolhouse rock and share the same birthday---and of course the Twins thing---are we twins born three years apart?
Phil Lawton
Jul-27-04, 9:56 AM
Originally posted by etc etc
anyways, Phil, I still could probably use a good milky tea and a long lie down!
That's the ticket, Ted...Matron will be along shortly to cover your lower legs with your tartan shawl.
There was, similarly, a live Saturday morning "kids" show over here in the late 70s/early 80s, which was aimed more at adults than the kids it was supposed to be entertaining.
I know I'm opening the floodgates here to the nostalgic, misty-eyed Brits in here, but it was called "Tiswas". I very rarely watched it (I was usually hung-over/comatose), but watch out for a host of posts contaning pics of the remarkably shaggable Sally James, who used to co-host the programme with Chris Tarrant, who still hosts the original version of "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" in the UK.
"Tiswas" morphed into "OTT" ("Over The Top") which was screened live on Saturday nights and was, in words of Alfred Lord Tennyson, "a right bag of bollocks".
*sigh* Sally James :smitten: Phil, what are you trying to do to me!!!
I loved Tiswas (Today Is Saturday Watch And Smile), but my parents were resolutely BBC and we didn't watch that ITV rubbish, so I had to watch when they weren't around. It introduced a whole new television culture to TV – Spit The Dog, Algernon Winston Razzmatazz DCM (de condensed milk), Trevor McDoughnut, Compost Corner, The Phanton Flan Flinger (or Phlan Phlinger depending on what you read), The Dying Fly, The Bucket Of Water Song, This Is What They Want etc etc. Compare that to Noel Edmonds sweaters and how could you watch anything else.
I also remember when OTT started. I was at college at the time and you had to be in the TV rooms at least 45 minutes before if you wanted a seat. As you say, it didn’t exactly set the world alight, but did get to see tits on the TV (even if accidentally), lots of risqué jokes and a rather amusing cartoon called ‘Dear Marjorie Boobs’ as I recall.
Ahhh, I think I may need that milky tea and a lie down :)
Baddy2shoos
Jul-27-04, 10:35 AM
chris tarrant can go fuck himself
Phil Lawton
Jul-27-04, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
chris tarrant can go fuck himself
He is supposed to be a very talented person, Beth, but I think even that feat is beyond him.
I sense some antipathy between Mr Tarrant and yourself....care to elaborate?
Baddy2shoos
Jul-27-04, 10:54 AM
just his annoying voice and the way he keeps saying are you sure??
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
chris tarrant can go fuck himself
Hmmm - thus speaks of the voice of todays university educated generation. It worries me they'll be in charge when I retire! :D
Baddy2shoos
Jul-27-04, 11:02 AM
that's twice you've been sarky with me now! you know happens to bad boys like you...
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
that's twice you've been sarky with me now! you know happens to bad boys like you...
Hey! I'm a good boy, my Mummy says so!
Phil Lawton
Jul-27-04, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
just his annoying voice and the way he keeps saying are you sure??
...As he turns his head on the pillow next to yours?
Baddy2shoos
Jul-27-04, 11:23 AM
sick
Phil Lawton
Jul-27-04, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Baddy2shoes
sick
It's a fair cop.
Originally posted by dprid
*sigh* Sally James :smitten:
I saw the TISWAS tour at college in 1979/80!!!!! Everyone turned up in old clothes, they spread loads of plastic sheeting on the hall floor and stood on stage throwing buckets of water over the audience!!!! ahhhh, bliss!
and Sally James looked even better in the "flesh" (I wish) than on the telly!!!!!
well to the 20 year old I was at that time she was!
It's funny, but when you look at pictures of Sally James as she was in those days you do wonder a bit why so many teenage boys sat there with their tongues hanging out. She was middle-aged event then and whilst undoubtedly pretty, as TV presenters go she wasn't particularly glamorous. I guess having a cleavage on display as she often did helped :)
Here she is doing one of her almost legendary pop interviews with Elvis Costello
http://www.elviscostello.info/pic/gallery/tiswas.jpg
http://www.paulmorris.co.uk/satkids/pictures/sallyjames.jpg
Let's not forget either some of the bands that used to turn up to plug stuff and get flanned. Motorhead, Mick Karn, Duran Duran, Altered Images, Toyah are the ones I can remember straight away, and I even have a vague rcollection of Paul McCartney being on.
She crops up now and then on those "Top 10 Fuck Me Those Were The '70s" programmes. Even as she is now, I wouldn't kick her out of bed.
Indeed, she was one of those ladies with that indefinable characteristic that just screams sex. I know ladies think men see that in all women, but some women just give off this additional sexual magnetism and she was undoubtedly one of them.
Originally posted by willy
Even as she is now, I wouldn't kick her out of bed.
.... providing she leaves her zimmer frame on the landing???
Originally posted by dprid
Indeed, she was one of those ladies with that indefinable characteristic that just screams sex.
anyone any idea of how old she is now?
Originally posted by frarn
anyone any idea of how old she is now?
Still young enough...... a mate of mine had another definition of TISWAS - (this is saturday, wank at Sally)
Originally posted by paulr
Still young enough...... a mate of mine had another definition of TISWAS - (this is saturday, wank at Sally)
roflmao
Phil Lawton
Jul-28-04, 8:16 AM
I know I'm opening the floodgates here to the nostalgic, misty-eyed Brits in here, but it was called "Tiswas".
I rest my case.
From amazon.co.uk...
"Her career took an unexpected setback following the death of her beloved husband, Carry On actor Sid James. Only after many years of alcohol-fueled depression and working in the backrooms of various children's tv shows did she find success as a presenter. Nowadays, the be-wigged mother-of-seven looks back on the '70s as a dark period she would wish to forget: "My second husband Derek [Batey - former host of Border TV's Mr & Mrs] has been a godsend. Though we still allow ourselves a smile when we receive the occasional fan letter. I'm old enough now to be some of them's nanna!" And the question on everyone's lips? "Yes, I still have those thigh-length boots somewhere," she beams, "I think Derek has them earmarked for something he won't tell me about."
hehe - someone is having a larf! Sid James ? roflmao
mmmender
Jul-29-04, 9:19 PM
getting back to the thread......
since i run a variety of ct sites i get loads of email from cocteau twins fans too. my personal faves are the one's who think i'm liz, no joke. i also get loads of emails asking me (as though i'm somehow a member of the band) if i'd like to work on a collaboration. you've gotta admire their enthusiasm.....but are there really still people out there who think the band is still together?
i got this email today........
my name is daniel _____from the german elektronic-combo (quiet intelligent elektronik-music, it's more a kind of Electro-Pop, Film-Noir, TripHop or Batcave-Sound) called MENICHAL SERVANTS... i am really enjoying your sound - there is such a innovation in your music and a way of maximum freedom, wunderful! And I like also the wunderfull bitter-sweat vocals...
And one of my bigest dreams would be to work together with you! i know, you hasn't much time... but maybe you'll find some time... it would be just one song.
I have finished the first demo-tracks for our new album and one song would be absolutly perfect for your voice... and now i want to ask you if you could imagine to sing this song for us. it would he a great pleasure for us, for me... but we are not able to pay for it...
i would send you the song and you could record the vocals in your studio...it would be an very uncomplicated way, don't you thing so?!? so... please think it over and tell me your decision.... it would be a fullfilment of a dream...
so, let the music play until it bombs your ears.... go, go, go!!!
greetz:
daniel
ps: sorry for my english.. i know: it isn't perfect!
Lucibelle
Jul-29-04, 10:12 PM
So, was this your reply? -
Dear Daniel,
Thank you for your letter and thanks for listening. I wish you much success with your music. I'd love to listen to your track and consider singing for it, but I'm afraid that I am unable to do any projects due to clauses in my contracts with 4AD and Columbia. (word of advice - get a lawyer who can read braille) These bastards won't let me take a simple crap without their permission. I was only allowed to work on LOTR because it would guarantee payment of the money I still owe Columbia for the 'Bluebeard' video. But right now, all possibilities are frozen whilst they pursue a lawsuit against the lovely Miss Leesa Beales for being our #1 fan. Apparently, being our #1 fan is punishable by death, seeing as we've never had a #1 hit. Legally, we can only have a fan as devoted as our charted popularity, so we can have no more loyal than our #30 fan. 4AD and Columbia have succesfully executed fans #12-29....poor bastards. So the way I see it, I'm halfway on my way to releasing my first solo album. After that, I have prior collaborative obligations, and then I can look at your song. So, let's plan on around 2042. Hope you're still together by then.
Much love,
Liz
;)
So I received an e-mail today at cocteautwins.com from a Brazilian guy who "was goth for 7 years and used drugs before JESUS CHRIST freed me...Jesus loves you, too."
may-be he meant to say instead: "got 7 years for using drugs before jesus freed me" :tongue:
I get e-mails ALL THE TIME from those people who don't know CT broke up! It's too weird... Like they can't be bothered to read a few lines of text that clearly explain they're BROKEN UP! I even added an entry on the CT.com "News" page a few months ago to the effect of, "Latest News Confirms: Cocteau Twins Still Broken Up."
As for the poor ex-goth Christian fellow--my intent wasn't to make fun of him so much as marvel at the stunning differences between the before and after photos. While I *do* find it a bit pathetic that some people really believe it takes GOD to make a meaningful or substantially positive change in their lives, as if they have no power whatsoever. And it also gets me how many people equate "goth" with "satan" or some other form of godlessness.
But that's fine, as long as he's happy, I suppose. It doesn't affect me anyway.
Michael
hehe-he became 'goth', then felt the devil breathing donw his neck and turned back to the right way again (from one mental set to another!)
Someone sais-nowadays man became the asshole he is the moment he fell down on his knees to pray
and also: there is a perenial force in the universe, force that is abstract and aware of itself. If you command it in a tone of opennes and decisive, but without arrogance, it can respond to the command, but if we go and pray to it it's going to piss on us
mmmender
Jan-10-05, 6:44 PM
i got this email today and it was addressed to me as though i were liz fraser....believe it or not i get this happen to me quite often....
Hello Liz!
I am a big fan from you and my sister,too.You are the best.Please can you send me
two original signed autographs from you.My adress is:
(address removed for privacy reasons)
Thanks
Sylvia
dynamine
Jan-10-05, 8:31 PM
i'm sayin' nada.
:)
mmmender
Jan-11-05, 1:20 PM
i'm sayin' nada.
:)
oh c'mon, say it!
petroldarling
Jan-11-05, 2:05 PM
ohh i missed this thread before in july and now i can't see the before and after pictures. hahahaha. damn.
Thackeray
Jan-11-05, 3:22 PM
God is best understood on quantum mechanic levels within any material plane. He/Son/She is best relative as a fragmentation of source divinity which is expressed on personal/interpersonal levels as truth, beauty, and goodness -freedom is for the taking and quite a laborous effort.
Before and after pictures truly show no results. Tolerance and not the sedition against the way anyone might chooze to live there lives, judgement void, and the protection of love in all forms was Jesus' bestowal suit.
Christianity at best is a defaulting mockery touting such a balanced life.
The poor fellow Xgoth/drugger will never know Jesus if he is to continue such path through Christianity. If he would but love himself and even moreso those around him he could Goth and Drug his way until the universes lie on their heads and be the better for it.
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