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mmmender

Nov-10-02, 3:12 PM

i have an idea.........cocteau twins down deep!

i was thinking it might be a good idea to focus on one cocteau twins recording for a really in-depth discussion. for example, let's say we start with garlands and work our way up. we could post our personal reviews, concert photos, music journal reviews, links on others reviews, lyrical interpretations, equipment/recording techniques, collectors notes on the varying garlands releases/versions, comments, photos taken during that period....you name it. then when we've completed exhausted the recording we move on to the next.

whaddya think?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000DRCP.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

glint

Nov-10-02, 3:53 PM

Cool!

mmmender

Nov-10-02, 4:34 PM

these are all of the versions of garlands that i know of in existence:

COMPACT DISC:
England 4AD CAD 211CD CD 14 tracks
England 4AD CAD 211CD CD 14 tracks re-issue, shows bar code on back sleeve
Canada 4AD/Polygram 848 023-2 CD 8 tracks
Germany 4AD/Rough Trade RTD 120.0028.2 CD 14 tracks
Japan 4AD/Columbia 30CY-1651 CD 14 tracks with inserts & obi,
Japan 4AD/Columbia COCY-6120 CD 14 tracks with inserts & obi
Japan 4AD/Rock Records RCCY-1053 CD Re-issue from April 21, 1999
Brazil 4AD/Roadrunner 6409-2 CD 14 tracks
USA 4AD/Capitol C2-96415 CD 8 tracks
Russia 4AD/Ars Nova AN99-0373 CD 8 tracks

VINYL:
England 4AD CAD 211 12" 8 tracks
Germany 4AD/INTERCORD INT 145.011 12"
Japan 4AD/Sounds Marketing Sys. SP25-5048 12" Complete with insert & obi
Japan 4AD/Columbia YQ-7043 12" Complete with insert & obi (2nd pressing of Garlands in Japan)
New Zealand 4AD/RTC CAD 211 12"
Holland 4AD/STEMRA 656.039 12" 8 tracks

CASSETTE:
England 4AD CADC 211 CASS

mmmender

Nov-10-02, 5:03 PM

the dot com site has an excellent page of fan reviews of garlands, it's located here:

http://www.cocteautwins.com/reviews/gar_rev.html

mmmender

Nov-10-02, 5:06 PM

blood bitch

blood woman
blood bitch
there's a corona
a corona swelling.
pressing hands against this scar
there's no warmth, there's no warmth to be felt.
don't damage my altar, don't damn this cold flame.
neither one or the other has much form or shape.
cold burns powerful, has powerful needs, holds back
what's my worth?
there's a fire, i'll paint the blood bitch, the blood bitch black.
lift or carry us, you're the same old song.

mmmender

Nov-10-02, 5:08 PM

wax and wane

carrying prose
broke my real friend
the devil bites dirty, we wax and we wane
the devil bites dirty, we wax and wane(x4)
licking our wounds
the devil bites dirty
reckoning we'll taste
we wax and we wane
the devil bites dirty, we wax and wane(x4)
caring is a bury gin shot
the devil bites dirty
up to the wee wanes
oh, we laugh in their faces
the devil bites dirty, we wax and wane(x8)

zed

Nov-10-02, 5:12 PM

sigh.........i'll sit this one out...nice so far though.
garlands is the one CT album i don't have . my collection starts with HOH.

you all go right ahead....it's makeing really good reading.

:cool: Z.

zed

Nov-10-02, 5:42 PM

*ahem*

BTS.......do clean your mail box.
seems that it's full.

'k?

Z.

Phil Lawton

Nov-10-02, 5:50 PM

It was their first album.

zed

Nov-10-02, 5:54 PM

......ummm, like, deep.
waaay to zen...........

man.

Z.

glint

Nov-11-02, 8:10 AM

This was mentioned in the "misprint" thread, but it'll fit here now too.....I checked my cd and found that Hearsay Please and Hazel (from the Peel Sessions section) are in each others respective spots. Does this occur on the re-release of the UK cd as well?

Phil Lawton

Nov-11-02, 8:41 AM

BTS

My wife now has a black belt in the ancient art of Ignora Lawtongai....3rd dan, in fact. My kids just tune out when I start...think I should change my tack? Should I buy a cardigan and start smoking a pipe, while spouting pearls of philosophy like "There's many a fine tune played on an old chestnut"?

Not while I have my strength.

zed

Nov-11-02, 8:43 AM

......can someone post some more reviews? it was mentioned that garlands was welcomed to "lukewarm " praise.i'd like read a few more....and it took, what, a week to record? any body have anything more on that?

was it during this period that liz went from the long mohawk to the liz we know? how were they as a band at that point? were the cracks starting to show? will left shortly there after, right?
and was it during this time liz did the disapearing act...''

this period is interesting to me beacause this is the chrysalis stage of of the band that became the Cocteau Twins.

i need more!!

Z.

ezzydynamine

Nov-11-02, 8:50 AM

http://www.mcilwaine12.utvinternet.co.uk/ct/garlandstext.jpg

zed

Nov-11-02, 9:02 AM

erinn..........your hand writing, or hers?
Z.

ps.......someone,was there ever a poster issued for garlands?
the collector just woke up and barked!
thx,
z.

mmmender

Nov-11-02, 11:58 AM

zed, i'll try and hunt down some reviews for you and yes there are posters...........but......good luck! ;)

zed

Nov-11-02, 12:06 PM

MMM.............hmmm. i'm still looking for that victorialand poster....
might as well give this one a shot....nothing to lose but my dignity...and next weeks groceries!! wait..all out of dignity!

;) :) Z.

PS......thanks for the articals;)

Zed.

someotherian

Nov-11-02, 9:50 PM

Originally posted by glint
This was mentioned in the "misprint" thread, but it'll fit here now too.....I checked my cd and found that Hearsay Please and Hazel (from the Peel Sessions section) are in each others respective spots. Does this occur on the re-release of the UK cd as well?
yep, apparently. though i dunno if mine's a re-release or not. it's just a UK version. though the disc itself say 'made in canada' so work that one out! :)

ezzydynamine

Nov-12-02, 10:01 AM

This piece of garlands lyrics comes from the sleeve of the Garlands LP.

REPLICESS

Nov-12-02, 2:58 PM

Quite simply and truthfully, their BEST ever album IMO

(as I've said many a time ;) )

Reminds me of:

The discovery/excitement

The beginning of my deep passion

When Liz became a pen-pal

When I realised how very important and relevant music is to me as a person

dynamine

Nov-12-02, 3:41 PM

here!here! REPLICESS

except for the pen pal part(she was never mine):(

REPLICESS

Nov-12-02, 4:12 PM

awwwww!

t'was only 3 letters & a postcard ;)

RunawayBay

Nov-12-02, 4:31 PM

I know there are different opinions about this album. I know some people is a Garlands fiend (hi Replicess! eh eh) and some other bought it just to complete the CT collection, listened to it the first time, and forgotten it. When i bought it, 6-7 years ago, i was not mad about it, i found it too "rotten"... At the beginning of my CT adventure i was just addicted to their dreampop side, from Blue Bell Knoll and ahead. I never liked early works (only Sugar Hiccup was sometimes on my hifi), and i hated the drum session in every song.

...I was BLIND folks!...

Months after, i began to consider things like Aikea-Guinea, Treasure, The Spangle Maker... and finally HOH and i found them amazing! I thought that maybe earlier i was not READY, my ears was not ready to "welcome" that kind of sounds.
When i finally liked all the works, i tried with Garlands, and only in this year i completely discovered it. Some people told me (my brother also, he loaths CT): "what's this!? oh, if i want to hear sounds like this, The Cure's PORNOGRAPHY is a better one!" I don't believe... Now i can understand and appriciate Garlands, and, it's true it is not my fave one, but finally i consider it a CT album as well as HOLV. So often in these days i feel "gothic" eh eh, and no doubts on my hifi Garlands is playing!
It took me 6 years to full appriciate it, and only now i feel complete!

So that was my personal story about Garlands.

Lori
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on air now: Lush - Stray

Adam

Nov-12-02, 4:47 PM

Garlands (with Peel sessions and 2 songs) was released under license from 4AD in 1995 by Sonic (SON 60).

Review from music magazine called Tylko Rock (Only Rock).

The first record of the Cocteau Twins had many opponents in 1982. Instumental background created by unconventional played guitar, deep bass and drum machine was too raw, too ascetic, and vocalist Elizabeth Fraser was accused of singing out of tune sometimes.
Nevertheless there was also a lot of enthusiasts. They liked unusual, hypnotic climate which leveled trio's lack of technical abilities. And simple accompaniment was also accepted in punk rock era.
Yet those, who saw Cocteau Twins as an important band on British music scene, were right.

REPLICESS

Nov-12-02, 4:57 PM

Originally posted by RunawayBay

The Cure's PORNOGRAPHY is a better one!" I don't believe... Lori

ahhhh! another of my most prized and loved albums :D

RunawayBay

Nov-12-02, 5:04 PM

Replicess, i was sure bout it!!!
:D :D :D :D :D

mmmender

Nov-13-02, 10:39 AM

ok this thread is dying isn't it?

time to move on to the next release.

zed

Nov-13-02, 10:58 AM

NO!!!:(

please just a few more articals and things?
i know the majority rules and all that....but i don't have the background in this period of the groups history.
if everybody wants to move on...would a few of you with reviews and interviews and whatnot just email 'em to me?

private tutoring if you will.

thanks:confused:

zed.

ethereal

Nov-16-02, 2:48 PM

i'm not that technical when it comes to this board, but one question before the garlands thread is closed, we should have a poll for each release to find out what the favorite song is from each album/ep. for me, it would be a toss up between 3, blind dumb deaf, blood bitch, and hazel from the peel sessions tacked on...this way we can have the fan's best of compilation at the end

ScottL

Nov-16-02, 2:58 PM

Heh..I think that sounds cool...it is almost as if we need a poll section chocked full of poll threads...we do get carried away now don't we....but...trying to think more practical...hmm...perhaps we could tack the poll on to each deepthroat thread.....(now say that 5 times fast with out laughing)....but that may be cool in the end, because you could search the archives for deepthroat as a thread title to get all of the album/ep threads we made, each with polls, commentary and info...

just thinking out loud...
ok

Thackeray

Aug-24-06, 12:57 PM

Wow! I wish this idea actually flew.

djproject

Aug-25-06, 1:30 AM

oooh, i knew there was something about garlands here =]

one thing i was thinking about that a month before this album came out, another album was released that had a similar vibe and tone ... the cure's pornography. both utilize minimal playing/composing to convey a dark and brooding atmosphere. but while pornography is very upfront and explicit (haha), garlands is more brittle and its mood seems like it oxidizes the moment you open it. this is not said in bad judgment; that's more descriptive of how i hear the mood.

while it does anticipate the wall of sound and the talents of all three members (even though will heggie would go on to do other things), it is cool to hear the band as a band with everyone in their roles: liz on vocals, will on bass and robin doing everything else. as far as the production, yeah it could have been better if the band had more control over it but it works for what it was at the time. and in a way, it makes the album really unique in the span of the cocteau twins' career.

and some people may be turned off by its minimalism and repetition, i like it. maybe it's because i like some repetition when it's done right and especially when it helps encapsulate and communicate a mood. this one really does it and does it well.

all in all, i think it's an underrated album and it's just as cocteau twins as anything they have released since this one.

(and it's going to be twenty-five years old next year =] )

Ghosty

Aug-25-06, 3:08 AM

Hey Deej, what is this, 'revive-an-ancient-thread-day' ;-) ?

Anyway, it's good to read some opinions on this album.
I was initially disappointed by it because I came to CT later on in their career, but with the release of the remaster I rediscovered it, and now I loooove it! Blood Bitch and Grail Overfloweth are among my favourite CT tracks. That Heggie bloke could play himself some bass! F*cking hell! The opening moments of Blood Bitch immediately get the adrenaline flowing. The way Grail Overfloweth repeats and repeats is hypnotizing. It lasts for, like 5 minutes but still you want more when it's finished. Garlands, Wax And Wane, But I'm Not, all excellent stuff. The only one I skip sometimes is The Hollow Men which in my opinion doesn't quite measure up to the others.

Robin once mentioned that originally he had the volume of the rhythm box that they used turned up until it distorted into a much dirtier sound, but they got told they couldn't do that. It would be great to hear this album as Robin intended it, with distorted drums intact it would probably make even more of an impact.

riah

Aug-25-06, 10:29 PM

This piece of garlands lyrics comes from the sleeve of the Garlands LP.

add, I hear just these songs in LP sleeve: <But I'm Not>、<Shallow then Halo>、<Garlands> and <Grail Overfloweth>

riah

Aug-25-06, 10:39 PM

Wax and Wane was in 1996 Capitol's promo CD <Cocteau Twins Collector Disk KRBE 104>
http://www3.freep.cn/photo_www3_freep_cc_1/2006-8-26/10/200682638275529.jpg

add the big pic of the garlands cover.

http://www3.freep.cn/photo_www3_freep_cc_1/2006-8-26/10/200682638237529.jpg

http://www3.freep.cn/photo_www3_freep_cc_1/2006-8-26/10/200682638327841.jpg

riah

Aug-25-06, 10:53 PM

<Dear Heart> and <Hazel> background voice is Cindytalk's Gordon Sharpe.

bearclaw

Aug-26-06, 11:08 AM

the re master of garlands has the misprint "blood bath" instead of "blood bitch" on the uk first edition - does this occur on any any editions ?

leesa - i always thought the lyrics read " the devil rides steady we wax and wane "

fornasetti

Aug-26-06, 11:20 AM

I always thought it was "everyone's telling me wax and wane".

It's hard to shift an idea like that from your head once you've thought it for 20-odd years !

elisa

Aug-26-06, 12:48 PM

I've always thought it was "the devil lies dead and we wax & wane."

fornasetti

Aug-26-06, 12:51 PM

Another interpretation (from AlwaysOnTheRun.net)

The devil bites dirty
We wax and we wane
The devil might steady
We wax and wane

elisa

Aug-26-06, 1:23 PM

Suffice to say, Wax & Wane is a disturbing song. ...Well, it disturbs me.

4CC

Aug-27-06, 6:15 AM

With Wax And Wane i sing:

"The devil may study me wax and wane..."

It took me a while to appreciate Garlands when i first got it, but i now listen to it as frequently as any other recording of theirs.

kookaburra

Aug-27-06, 11:00 AM

Is it not "the devil bystanding..."?

dprid

Aug-27-06, 11:11 AM

Fritter

Aug-27-06, 4:30 PM

I wish there was some way of hearing Garlands with the drums sounding the way Robin hoped, all distorted and gnarly. Maybe something like the My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts website, where a couple of the tracks are available broken down into individual tracks for mucking about with?