DVD with Guthrie Soundtrack "Echoes of Forgotten Places"

[mmmender]

for those of you interested in urban exploration, industrial archaeology, robin guthrie and perhaps even those who dare to hear my piano music....check out the following link.

dvds go on sale in 2 weeks.

any feedback on the clip or the website is also always appreciated.

http://www.scribblemedia.com/echoes.html

[postlibyan]

when i clicked the link to download the sample click, i got a "file not found" error message.

PJK

[mmmender]

oops i forgot to upload the sample, give me about 20 mins or so.

apologies!

[dynamine]

interesting.

[andylama]

OOH! Mega-intrigued!

[Brittany]

LEESA!

Why hadn't you mentioned this before??? Defunct Playgrounds and Save our Rails are only second to THIS site as my favourites! I hadn't gotten the brass ones to send them my urban exploration photos (NC and FL), but I would have shown YOU!

[mmmender]

the trailer is now up on the server!

[andylama]

I'll be buying one.

In a similar vein, is anyone here familiar with the amazing work of Henk Van Rensbergen? (http://www.abandoned-places.com/)

This guy does the best b+w still photography in this genre I've seen. Check out his website, it's fantastic. Give yourself a good hour to browse it. There's a LOT to see there. This dude's been BUSY.

[postlibyan]

very very cool Mmmender. looks interesting..... thanks for posting this. now i have some other links to explore.

PJK

[Hitherto]

Hey Andylama!

Funny you should mention Henk's work, he actually was going to contribute to the DVD, but was too busy to send the images in time for the deadline, he's an airline pilot so mega busy, yeah, his site is amazing, but check out this one as well:

www.dubtown.de

Some really cool stuff...

[Simonp]

Old empty building like that freak me out for some reason. I just find them really creepy. Nice idea though.

[by the sea]

Really? I'd love to get raped and murdered in a place like that. Maybe even hung upside down on a meat hook and skinned.

The trailer and the music reek of death.

[mmmender]

i'm sure robin will be pleased to hear that you think one of his imperial tracks reeks of death.....um, thanks for the feedback.

[by the sea]

It does. Why do you think it suits those images of decay so well? I mean, could you have used Orange Appled or Calfskin Smack, say? You're welcome.

[andylama]

Is it weird that I find images like that wistfully romantic?

[Brittany]

Not at all, Andy. Join the club.

[by the sea]

Let's all hold hands in Auschwitz.

[Hitherto]

I don't find these places depressing or reeking of death at all, they are places of mystery and silence, they are relics of a recent age that have been overlooked because they are not ancient...

[fredofla]

....modern ruins have a haunting and peculiar loveliness.

they fashion wonderful environments
for both artists and pornographers.

and yes, i often feel quite at home in them.

just find me the right cushy sofa and move me right in.

nice goin, mmmender.

you obviously struck a chord here.

[andylama]

Let's all hold hands in Auschwitz.
That would beat almost everything else that ever happened there.

[Simonp]

Really? I'd love to get raped and murdered in a place like that. Maybe even hung upside down on a meat hook and skinned.

The trailer and the music reek of death.

What a sad fuck you are Sage.

[Fritter]

As a keen amateur Industrial Archaeologist, this posting makes me feel I've died and gone to heaven - thank you Mmmender!

London used to have some fantastic and fantastically creepy places to explore, Battersea Power Station, Nine Elms Cold Store etc. but it's all been turned into executive appartments. My greatest treasure is an Explosimeter - a device that tells you how potentially explosive the atmosphere is - interesting to think that whoever carried it around depended on it for their life.

[Hitherto]

That's so strange, I found one of those meters while exploring an decommissioned power plant...

[Rosin]

Good luck with your project Mender!

about feedback for the clip: i find it neat that the camera panning is done slow, as if through a thick substance (denser than air). because of two things--

one, that Guthries tunes often sound as if propagated through water. In water, one moves slow but can fly, the way birds fly in air (i don't sugest that Robin can fly--that will be the day...lol-- but in the end, whales kind of fly in the water).
Also, shamans say that all things are made out of Time--intricate permutations of energy flowing and vibrating at infinite variety of intensities. They say that what holds these streams of energy into cohesive units(so they, we, don't fall appart) , and what defines at the same time the rate of their vibrational intensity, is a vibratory force, called Intent, that passes through everything--just like gravity passes through everything.
So, like that, every object/thing has its Time signature: recently i watched this funny movie where someone made a whole scene of sea battle with reduced models of ships in a sort of a plastic vessel. The whole thing looked really funny and humorous because all things--water waves, ships' titling--was moving at a rate that betrayed them as reduced models. To make them look big in the footage, the film guy had to slow down the motion/frame rate and reedit. So, to give impression of a space (proportional but reduced), Time had to be changed too. In a normal sea seen from high above the waves look almost static.
Another example for that is when these people that study avalanches make reduced models of a whole mountain slope with some model of a house on it, to see how the falling snowwave will behave. If it were a normal reduced model with some talk dust for snow, the snow wave will fall for a split of a second and that will be that. So, what they do is to submerge the whole reduced model in water--then density of the water provides exactly the realistic speed at which the snow wave unrolls--in slow turbulating curls.

the second thing, If a typical signature/proportion of Time and space define "normal reality", every-day-reality, then it is very accurate to represent Non-ordinary-reality with one of these (Time or space) tampered with. I personally find this very accurate because desrted places are places where nonordinary reality can be preceived much easier than in a mundane place where people hang alot. These places can be, so to say, holes in the tissue of the reality matrix. Everyone who visit such places can feel that if they silence themselves enough. Seers/shamans would eplain this by the fact that as desrted places, no one's personal Intent is fixed on such a place. They say that Intent at large is impersonal but each being holds a personal Intent (largely unaware..). A group of people with Intent tuned in unison can define, or at least "colour", the reality of something or some place. Scientists made an experiment: they hooked a random number generator to a tape recorder. The whole thing was set up in such a way that signals would go as random beeps either in the left or the right track of the stereo recorder.

The funny thing however was that when a person monitoring this process Intends to have more signals on the, lets say, the left earphone, then he indeed receives more signals there majority of the times.

Even funnier, a tape was recorded randomly from the generator but with no one monitoring it or Intending anything. The tape was put in sealed envelope. A group of people then Intended more beeps into one of the channels. Although that they basically Intended for something that linear reality (which is a lie) would say it lies in the Past, it worked most of the time: as if the Past had a multiple layered developements to choose from through Intending them.
In the smae sense, a healer who heals and operates as if miraculously hyperfine surgeries with the ridiculous aid of a rusty knife, can handle only a certain number of bystanders, depending on her personal power--for she has to 'bend' the normal reality Intent's continuity of the bystanders in terms to do impossible things.

So in this sense, such places are forgotten and no grey mundane Intent is forced upon them and they can be very poetic and magical or dangerous, deadly and unpredicatable: all these things that normally the grey every-day-reality is devoid of(at least the way we see it). Besides, many, without even any 'substances'n by sheer will, by sheer Intent, know that the ordinary reality can be perceived going in a different speed through some shaman practices (starting with inner silence).

Wachovskies present this very beautifully in their little film "Beyound" from the Animatrix: a deserted place forgotten by everyone in the middle of a city was a secret playground for some kids. Uncredible things would happen in this magical place--space and gravity would warp in funny ways. Also, Time would run back and fourth, represented in the film as hearing sounds from past events, seeing objects appear and disappear in midair, or having this broken light bulb become lit and intact again, then become again broken, then become again lit.

Of course, the authorities quickly detected this 'anomaly spot' and erased it from the neighbourhood creating a parking lot on its place. The "authorities" were the reality keepers--they were desperate to keep people away from the knowledge that "ordinary reality" was nothing solid but something that can be tampered with.

The same image of the lightbulb switching back and forth in time in a deserted palce can be seen in one very beautiful film--Stalker, by Tarkovski. The Zone that the film describes is also this 'hole' in ordinary reality, a place where human arogance and carelessnes can be deadly and a place of breathtaking beauty and magic.

I find treating such themes very pertinant to the truth not only by sheer poetic and esthetic motivation but also as a way of resistance and fighting the "reality scam" that they raise us to believe in. Orthodox scientists, authorities fight with their nails and teeth each time there shows some proof that 'things' are not exactly as described in the laws of termodynamics..
For example, they would go out of their way to make you believe that Vortex phenomena is optical illusion, through building funny slanted houses next to such places then explaining the thing as visual geometry perspective trick. They make whole sites explaining these, but they never put pictures there as these two pictures, without the slanted houses. The mere fact is that Earth has exits and entrances of flow of energy and there the homogenity of the fabric of space and time of the ordinary reality can be a little or more warped--the effect's amplification fluctuating in time a little. Anyways, here two pictures from such a place:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/raydimitry/imagini/vortex1.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/raydimitry/imagini/vortex2.jpg
hope you find something pertinant to your project in this writing (of, i notice, mad lenght-haha). good luck!

[Fritter]

That's so strange, I found one of those meters while exploring an decommissioned power plant...


Blimey! There must be some cosmic strangeness around Toronto - I've only visited the city once (for the shooting of "Land Of the Dead"!) but I totally fell in love with the place and felt right at home immediately. Even the customs officials at the airport were real friendly!!!

[fredofla]

That would beat almost everything else that ever happened there.



dear BTS.

deep down yer still a sweet fuck, no matter what you say!

:calla:

[by the sea]

All I ever wanted was for Robin and Elizabeth to make me happy again.

[JohnnyV]

There's something disturbing, yet entertaining on where this thread is headed.

[andylama]

...they would go out of their way to make you believe that Vortex phenomena is optical illusion, through building funny slanted houses next to such places then explaining the thing as visual geometry perspective trick. They make whole sites explaining these, but they never put pictures there as these two pictures, without the slanted houses. The mere fact is that Earth has exits and entrances of flow of energy and there the homogenity of the fabric of space and time of the ordinary reality can be a little or more warped--the effect's amplification fluctuating in time a little.

I know such fascinating places exist naturally. On the edge of town, in a suburb north of Los Angeles, there is a road near a cemetary that quite clearly slopes upward at a pretty good angle, but if you lay a ball or a can on the pavement, it will roll upward, gaining speed until you cannot run fast enough to catch it. It may be an optical/perspective illusion, but it is very hard to see how. The perspective is clear and uncomplicated, and therefore the illusion is nearly perfect.

I'd forgotten about that place.

[Hitherto]

I guess it's a forgotten place...

[andylama]

I walked right into that one. ;)

[mmmender]

i think the dvd will be ready for sale next week, but i'm sure hitherto will correct me if i'm wrong.

[Rosin]

I know such fascinating places exist naturally. On the edge of town, in a suburb north of Los Angeles, there is a road near a cemetary that quite clearly slopes upward at a pretty good angle, but if you lay a ball or a can on the pavement, it will roll upward, gaining speed until you cannot run fast enough to catch it. It may be an optical/perspective illusion, but it is very hard to see how. The perspective is clear and uncomplicated, and therefore the illusion is nearly perfect.

I'd forgotten about that place.

Hi Andy, LA and its surroundings have lots of those. Within the campus of UCLA there is a huge spot also (will change one's mood if you hang there-haha). They have all kinds of cliche names for these like "gravity hills" "vortexes" etc, but huge number are simply unaccounted for. Here locally i have found a couple. In one of these you walk a lane for like 10 min and walk the same way back only across a railroad parallel to the lane, but with the same speed walking it takes you three minutes to reach where you started from..Dry river beds will also make one speed up magically and effortlessly in the direction where water once ran as if by some phantom momentum of residue of "speed" as abstraction.

Here is what someone has to say about the surroundings of Los Angeles:

"...Here in Los Angeles, he continued casually, I have a friend who writes me a lot. Each time I come I read all his letters, one after the other as if it were a diary. One certain time, between the letters I bumped into another one that without realizing I had opened. Even though I immediately realized that it wasn't from my friend, I read it. The fact that it was in the pile was for me a sign.

That letter put him in contact with two people who reported a very interesting experience to him. It was night and they had to enter the San Bernardino Freeway. They knew that to meet it they had to continue ahead until the end of the street. Then they had to take a left and continue until they reached the freeway. So they did it, but after some 20 minutes they realized that they were in a strange place. It wasn't the San Bernardino Freeway. They resolved to get off and ask, but nobody helped them. At one of the houses where they knocked they were met with screaming.

He continued telling us that the two friends went back down the road until they reached a service station where they asked for directions. There they were told what they already knew. So they again repeated the same steps, and without any inconveniences arrived at the highway.

He met with them. Of the two of them, it seems that only one is truly interested in understanding the mystery.

On the earth, he said as means of explanation, there are sites, special places or openings, through which you can enter and pass through to something else. Here he stopped and offered to bring us. It's near here... in Los Angeles... If you want, I can take you, he said. The earth is something alive. Those places are the entrances from where the earth periodically receives force or energy from the cosmos. That energy is that which the sorcerer must store up.

Every 18 days a wave of energy falls upon the earth. Count, he suggested to us, starting on the third of next August. You will be able to perceive it. This wave of energy could be strong or not; it depends. When the earth receives very large waves of energy, it doesn't matter where you might be, it always reaches us. Before the magnitude of that force, the earth is small and the energy reaches all parts. "

[andylama]

...San Bernardino Freeway. They resolved to get off and ask, but nobody helped them. At one of the houses where they knocked they were met with screaming.
Yep, sounds like San Bernardino ;)

I love stories like this.

Thanks

[Hitherto]

Wow, this topic is getting kind of strange...

[Fritter]

Something for those visiting the British Isles to seek out, if anti-gravity is your thang...

http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/178_backwards.shtml

[dprid]

Wow, this topic is getting kind of strange...
How long have you been coming here? And you still expect normal?? :D

[mmmender]

the dvd's are now on sale!


http://www.scribblemedia.com/echoes.html

all prices include shipping!!!

[andylama]

Cool! Ordered! Thanks!

[mmmender]

i'm kinda nervous about the release of this dvd. don't forget i also narrated it as well as provided some of the soundtrack. people will finally get to see and hear another part of me. perhaps that sounds strange but i suddenly feel more exposed. nonetheless, this has been a worthwhile venture and i hope that more of you will purchase a copy.

[andylama]

Lees,

I didn't realize it was narrated, much less by you. Do you actually appear on the video? I'm intrigued; I have no idea what your voice sounds like (you could say the same about me though, eh?)

Do you want feedback about any aspect of the DVD, or would you rather the work stand on its own merits? I'm happy to oblige either way.

No worries in exposing yourself to me; I already think you're the tops.

Thanks for everything

Andy

[mmmender]

i don't appear in the video but hitherto (robert) does. we decided a female voice was best for the narration so i did it myself.

as for feedback, i'm definitely looking for loads of it. not just about the video itself but my music too. i think you'll find that the music pieces we selected fit very well with the images, especially the stuff from imperial.

your dvd will be shipped out tomorrow so hopefully you won't have long to wait for it. thanks for buying a copy.

[Hitherto]

mmmender's music on this project is so good, she's going to have to start recording CDs...perhaps I'm biased, but it's that good...

[dynamine]

cool,i'll be getting a copy soon...

n/p:RHP-"summer dress"

[andylama]

Waiting patiently for my copy... Postage over the US/Canada border can be staggeringly unpredictable. Sometimes 4 days, sometimes 4 weeks.

[dynamine]

ebay?

[Thackeray]

I'm buying.

[andylama]

ebay?
(andylama dons flameproof suit and slowly sidesteps away from Ross)

You, sir, are a scallywag. roflmao

[dprid]

ebay?
I'd have thought E-bay would be a good place to market this. It is after all probably the biggest marketplace in the world, and with the right key words in the text could get thousands of hits - certainly a lot more than marketing it through here. Put it up with a 'buy-it-now' price and I think you could shift quite a few :)

[leviathan]

Something for those visiting the British Isles to seek out, if anti-gravity is your thang...

http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/178_backwards.shtml

Ive got one of those sites near me. I have a part-time job as a cabbie. I picked up an NBA athlete a year ago and took him home. As we neared his home (did I say home? I meant .....mansion!!!!!), he pointed out an upcoming street. After I dropped him off, he told me to return to that street and set my car in neutral at the bottom of the street. The street in front of me had a steady upward incline. Guess what?? My car ran uphill by itself. To be sure of this gravitational pull, I went back to my starting point but this time, turned my car backwards, turned it off and onece again put it in neutral. Once again my car ran uphill backwards and even more bizarre, it picked up speed as it went up the street. Fortunately, it was about 3 a.m. so I wasn't concerned about innocent bystanders, but that was the creepy part too since no one was there as a witness. I thought I was going crazy!! But Im sure all of those residents know about it. I can only imagine what other issues the people in that neighborhood have. haha! If you're ever in Franklin Lakes, NJ look it up!!

[Jeek]

Those of you interested in industrial ruins should really check out Germany's Ruhr River valley area, known as the "Ruhrgebiet."

I posted this elsewhere before, but it really fits this thread. Sorry it's in German. Click on the various cities for more pictures and info.

http://www.rvr-online.de/freizeit/sehenswuerdigkeiten_index.shtml

[Hitherto]

Here's a great site devoted to German Ruhr industrial ruins, the site's creator, Daniel Hinze, has work featured on the "Echoes" DVD:

www.dubtown.de

Lots of great links too!

[by the sea]

vomit.

[mmmender]

vomit.
either you find the links provided utterly disturbing or you're just being infantile. either way there's surely a better way of expressing yourself in this thread.

[by the sea]

either you find the links provided utterly disturbing or you're just being infantile. either way there's surely a better way of expressing yourself in this thread.

Wrong and wrong. I was responding to something I read back there. I wasn't specific because I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

What's a better way of expressing myself? You teach me.

[mmmender]

Wrong and wrong. I was responding to something I read back there. I wasn't specific because I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

What's a better way of expressing myself? You teach me.
your response of a single word was then mis-directed, you could have at least quoted the person you were making reference to. by not doing so the reader is left to assume you are referring to the last post made. now, grow up please.

[dynamine]

"WHAT?"
http://cdn.channel.aol.com/ch_music/liljon_1004_240.jpg

[by the sea]

Get a grip. You take things too personally.

So, does your production co. have any porno lined up? I'd like a rape one, please. They're so rare and I'm sure the dvd's would sell like hotcakes. Think about it. I write a mean scenario. We're talking big bucks here.

[mmmender]

take it personally? yes, i'm one of the producers of the dvd so i do take your comments to heart, along with all the others. i just don't think a "vomit" comment helps out as feedback.

sorry no rape videos but i'm sure you can type your desires into any search engine and you'll find what you need.

[by the sea]

I gave you my honest feedback when you started this thread. If you weren't prepared for it, then you shouldn't have asked. Now about your piano music and narraration, I really couldn't comment, since I haven't seen or heard the dvd, just the trailor, which reminded me of death. Now a rape video, that's life. It needs to be done tastefully, though. Most of the shit at the video store is trash. That's all I'm sayin'.

[mmmender]

well thanks for your feedback on rape videos but they have nothing to do with this thread i'm afraid. if you want to comment more on the dvd then i'll surely listen but i guess you'd have to be bold enough to purchase one first. enough said. moving along.....

[by the sea]

If you'd like to send me a complimentary copy, that'll be fine.
It might help me find a good location to shoot a real video.

[mmmender]

sorry no comps for this one. this is a legit video and we need to try and sell every copy we made.

[by the sea]

How bout a trade?

[mmmender]

sorry no can do. this isn't just my project, there are a lot of people involved and i cant just give away copies.

[by the sea]

Not even for a year supply of tampons?

[fornasetti]

Oh dear.

[mmmender]

Not even for a year supply of tampons?
i don't need those thanks to risperidone, but thanks for the rude offer.

[andylama]

Received my copy today. Hope to view it tonight.

First impressions: the packaging looks great. 100% professional.

Henk van Rensbergen should be regretful to not have participated in the project.

[mmmender]

i look forward to your feedback, andy!

[postlibyan]

i look forward to your feedback, andy! AAAAIIIGH!

Andy -- could you preface any commentary with the word "Spoiler"? especially if it contains such....

after being unemployed for three months, i am finally employed again, but it will be a while until i am paid, and thus it will be a little while until i can afford one, and i DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING!

actually, maybe i should just avoid this thread for a little while....

PJK

[Hitherto]

Received my copy today. Hope to view it tonight.

First impressions: the packaging looks great. 100% professional.

Henk van Rensbergen should be regretful to not have participated in the project.

Henk really wanted to get involved, but he's an airline pilot and just couldn't find the time to meet the deadline, he's a great photographer though...

[fornasetti]

Well, I watched it last night. It was an unusual subject for me but it did hold my interest. I guess the music helped. Leesa's piano was very good and the boy Guthrie sounded like he could be a really good player. I'm going to check whether he's ever done anything else.

The most curious bit for me was waiting to hear Leesa's voice/accent. There's no trace of the Oirish in yer, girl !

A good project - let's have a DVD on the lives of abandoned fridges next.

[mmmender]

phew! so glad you at least enjoyed my piano playing, i'm kinda nervous about letting people hear it. as for my voice, i lost my irish accent many years ago! thanks for the review russell !

[Hitherto]

There's nothing wrong with a sexy Canadian accent...

[Fritter]

Right on, eh?

[mmmender]

i'm such a hoser, eh?

[andylama]

oh, stop. :D

Realistically, I won't be able to watch it until this weekend, but I will watch/listen with a discerning eye/ear, and post an honest review. ...prefaced with the "spoiler" disclaimer, of course. :)

[andylama]

My partner and I watched this last night. We loved it. Here's my analysis (and I'll try to avoid spoilers):

This is a beautiful documentary film, very well done.

Overall, the editing and pacing were very excellent, with just the right amount of narration. The cinematography and scene transitions were just great. I was pleasantly surprised at the use (but not overuse) of time compression, as it beautifully conveys the passage of time at a couple of relevant moments.

The music was well chosen, and it always works with what's happening onscreen. The solo piano was particularly well suited to the subject matter. Very evocative.

The narration was wistfully poetic. The use of vintage footage at the beginning was perfectly placed and relevant. The interview material was presented in a very clever way, and it followed the theme perfectly. Very well conceived. The explorers were interesting, but aside from the interview scenes, they seemed detached from their actual involvement in the actual exploration...even though this activity was explicitly depicted. This is not a flaw, just an observation; it works just fine.

The locations themselves are exactly what I'd hoped for: Intriguing, romantic, mysterious, beautiful.

As for the disc itself, the brief menu animation was really well done, the 'bonus features' slideshow was very nice (and there's plenty of it), and the vintage industrial film was an amusing inclusion. My partner observed that films like these were commonly shown at cinemas, along with a cartoon, before the feature film, back in the 1950s. The packaging looks totally pro.

I will watch this film again, and I will turn other people on to it.

As an aside: Leesa, for no particular reason, I had imagined your voice very differently. Deeper, huskier, perhaps. Your Irish peeks out in subtle ways.

Nicely done, folks! :clap:

TO ALL FORUMITES: This film deserves your attention, and our benefactors deserve your support. PURCHASE A COPY OF THIS DVD AND WATCH IT!

[mmmender]

wow andy, thanks for such a glowing review. i'm also pleased that you enjoyed my solo piano!

[postlibyan]

ahhhhh! don't wanna know, don't wanna know. can't afford one for another few weeks....

however, knowing that Mr. Lama enjoyed it is a good recommendation.

PJK

[dprid]

Images of the derelict Battersea Power Station

Click here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/uk_battersea_power_station/html/1.stm)

[andylama]

Oh Christ! They're going to turn it into a mall!

[dprid]

Doesn't everything get turned into a mall eventually?

[postlibyan]

Oh Christ! They're going to turn it into a mall! sweet. can't wait to go to the Starbucks in Battersea mall next time i am in London.....

roflmao

PJK

[robin guthrie]

any chance of seeing this sometime?

[Thackeray]

Leesa, have you any of them that you can sell? I could buy it fest time!

[Hitherto]

Robin,

A copy has been sent to you....

Also, MAC users can now view the trailer using the Win Media Player plug in, just click the link...

[postlibyan]

Leesa, have you any of them that you can sell? I could buy it fest time! yes, Mmmender, Hitherto, et al. -- having a few copies available whilest i am already in Toronto would be spifferific!

PJK

[Hitherto]

No worries, I've got plenty of copies available...

Good to know that you're coming to Toronto!

[postlibyan]

No worries, I've got plenty of copies available... excellent!

Good to know that you're coming to Toronto! i'll be there in 11 days.... i cannot wait for a vacation right now....

PJK

[Fritter]

Mmmm, industrial porn.... I promise to buy one next time I'm across the Atlantic, always get stung for Import Tax on DVD's mail order, bah.

[mmmender]

there was a full page newspaper article and review of the dvd in canada's Globe & Mail a few days ago, here is the full article online if you'd like to read it - i did get a small mention too which was nice.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050916/ARCHICOL16/TPEntertainment/?query=echoes+of+forgotten+places

or

http://www.scribblemedia.com/gmreview.html

[andylama]

I recently re-watched this film. It is beautiful.

Forum members: if you haven't bought your copy of this DVD yet, you really should consider it. It's super interesting, and it supports fellow forumites.

[mmmender]

thanks again, andy! i'm not going to take credit for robert's work but i'm very pleased that you like what my partner produces. i think he's a brilliant filmmaker. and my piano bits aren't too bad either.

;)

[dprid]

For some reason I didn't post here after watching it about how much I enjoyed it. Bad Dprid!
Anyway, a fascinating subject with some great camera shots, good music and leesa's dulcet tones narrating. I loved the shots of the snow falling through the buildings, and the fact that the interviewees were on a video on a tv screen - nice touch :)

Buy your copy now and spread the word :)

[mmmender]

glad you enjoyed it too david.

so, you think i have "dulcet tones"? how interesting.

[silverhoney]

Quote:
>>Originally Posted by byTheSea then andylama
>>Really? I'd love to get raped and murdered in a place like that. Maybe >>even hung upside down on a meat hook and skinned.

>>The trailer and the music reek of death.


I have to agree with Simon P.

Guys, if you had ever come close to either of these experiences there is no way you could possibly perceive them as being romantic. Unless you have - and your trauma expresses itself as being the dangerously shocking, cynical and upsetting to others!

Anyway! I believe what was wanted was deconstructive analysis/thoughts on the music?

[silverhoney]

I gave you my honest feedback when you started this thread. If you weren't prepared for it, then you shouldn't have asked. Now about your piano music and narraration, I really couldn't comment, since I haven't seen or heard the dvd, just the trailor, which reminded me of death. Now a rape video, that's life. It needs to be done tastefully, though. Most of the shit at the video store is trash. That's all I'm sayin'.'

- sooo.. I'm guessing you are fantasing about being the victim of this 'tasteful rape'?

Honestly, I think most people who post here appreciate the Cocteau Twins' music, and this kind of presupposes a certain degree of sensitivity and intelligence. If you're trying to shock, let me assure you, you're succeeding only in eliciting pity.

[by the sea]

I'm not trying anything, just voicing an opinion. If you don't like it, that's your fucking problem.

[Moya xx]

I just got around to watching the clip of "Echoes". Wonderful stuff!

[fornasetti]

thanks again, andy! i'm not going to take credit for robert's work but i'm very pleased that you like what my partner produces. i think he's a brilliant filmmaker. and my piano bits aren't too bad either.



Quote "The spooky, repetitive and haunting soundtrack is provided by ex-Cocteau Twins member Robin Guthrie, along with Mr. Fantinatto's wife, Leesa
Beales".

Jeez, I'm slow to catch on to things !

[kookaburra]

Leesa's husband is hot.

[andylama]

Quote:
>>Originally Posted by byTheSea then andylama
>>Really? I'd love to get raped and murdered in a place like that. Maybe >>even hung upside down on a meat hook and skinned.

Um, how the hell did I get associated with anything ByTheSea said?!

That is disturbing as fuck!

Silverhoney, I will cut you some slack, since you don't know me. I cannot speak for ByTheSea. No-one can.

[kookaburra]

So the quotation wasn't yours, Andy?

[andylama]

So the quotation wasn't yours, Andy?
Forgive the smilie/smirkie, but that one calls for it:

roflmao crying :lmao:

Ahem.

[postlibyan]

okay, so, i bought a copy of the DVD when i was in Toronto. first off, i want to say, congrats to Rob and Leesa on making a fine film. secondly -- it was shorter than i was expecting.... but that's okay. there is one scene with the snow coming through the roof of the buidling, and there is that Guthrie Imperial tune on, and the drum machine kicks in... f*cking brilliant!

that said, i think of the Imperial album as being more pastoral, not so much about the Industrial stuff. i kind of wanted to hear music more along the lines of Skinny Puppy. maybe next time i watch it i'll put The Process on the CD player and listen to that while the visuals play... only then i'll lose Mmmender's lovely voice over...

anyway, well done kids. a fine job.

PJK

[Simonp]

Get a grip. You take things too personally.

So, does your production co. have any porno lined up? I'd like a rape one, please. They're so rare and I'm sure the dvd's would sell like hotcakes. Think about it. I write a mean scenario. We're talking big bucks here.

Why are we still putting up with this kind of shit on the forum?

[by the sea]

You're the moderator. Push the button.

[Simonp]

You're the moderator. Push the button.

Soon Keith.

[mmmender]

sooner than you think.

[mmmender]

The Rivoli, Toronto Wed, Oct 19th
The Power Plant presents

Hubbub!
Film, dialogues and art about secret knowledge, Freemasonry, espionage and urban exploration. Screening of Echoes of Forgotten Places
Host- Terence Dick
Free 8pm

http://www.rivoli.ca/showlistings.htm

http://www.thepowerplant.org/panels.html

[mborum]

Can I just say that I was lucky enough to get a copy of this DVD from Robert when I was in Toronto for Cocteaufest, and I LOVE IT! It really is gorgeous, and mmmender's voice-over introduction is really excellent, too. The whole work is such a cool concept--it is definitely film-festival quality, and something I'd expect to see on Sundance Channel.

Congratulations Robert, Leesa, Robin and your crew on this.

Michael

[Hitherto]

I'm so sorry that I've not been more active on the forum, but I've been very thrilled by the positive responses to the DVD that all of you have been kind enough to post. If I've at least sparked your curiosity with the hidden places in your towns and cities, then I think the project succeeded...

Thanks again! I promise I won't be gone for so long again!

[dprid]

I'm so sorry that I've not been more active on the forum, but I've been very thrilled by the positive responses to the DVD that all of you have been kind enough to post. If I've at least sparked your curiosity with the hidden places in your towns and cities, then I think the project succeeded...

Thanks again! I promise I won't be gone for so long again!
How has it gone down elsewhere - any reviews or the like you'd care to share?

[mmmender]

the dvd is now available through microcinema, oddly enough they've got it displayed on the first page of their website.....

http://www.microcinema.com/

[Fritter]

oddly enough they've got it displayed on the first page of their website.....


Madam is too modest! Thanks for the reminder; a good Christmas present for a few friends.

[mmmender]

echoes of forgotten places is now available for rent through NetFlix:
http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?trkid=73&movieid=70044102

it should also soon be available on amazon.com

[Brittany]

WHAT ABOUT BLOCKBUSTER.COM? :digi:

[mmmender]

robert is trying to get his distributor to put the dvd into blockbusters across north america but nothing has happened with that deal just yet. if it does go through i'll certainly post a message here about it.

[Brittany]

okey dokey! ;)

[mmmender]

this video is now available at amazon.com if anyone is interested.

[PearlyDew]

Really? I'd love to get raped and murdered in a place like that. Maybe even hung upside down on a meat hook and skinned.

The trailer and the music reek of death.

You must have really loved the movie "Hostel". :spear:

Oops, just now saw that sicko is banned. Good...saved me an arrow!

P.S. Leesa, film sounds wonderful, and I'm going now to Amazon.com to look it up. How exciting!

[Thackeray]

Yay! and who says you're not famous, mmmender!

this video is now available at amazon.com if anyone is interested.

[Brittany]

I finally got my copy today! :digi:

First, LEESA...your voice was nothing like I imagined. I was thinking (who knows why) that you'd have this deep voice with an Irish accent. Instead you have a sweet girl's voice with a VERY Canadian accent! It's going to take some time for this to register...

I have to say I smiled seeing Robin and Leesa's names in the beginning. I smiled even more at the end to see that it was dedicated to her boys.

It's very much a documentary style film-you'd expect to see it on Sundance. Robin's Imperial album is the soundtrack, and Leesa touched the ivories as well. Lovely!

For those who haven't gotten it-be SURE to check the bonus material. There's a gazillion extra pictures in there, some I hope they go back to in the next attempt (especially the sanitoriums/psych hospitals).

[Musette]

I agree that Leesa's voice is in a high register, but it has a lot of depth and richness to me.

[ArnoldZiffel]

I finally got my copy today! :digi:

First, LEESA...your voice was nothing like I imagined. I was thinking (who knows why) that you'd have this deep voice with an Irish accent. Instead you have a sweet girl's voice with a VERY Canadian accent! It's going to take some time for this to register...

I have to say I smiled seeing Robin and Leesa's names in the beginning. I smiled even more at the end to see that it was dedicated to her boys.

It's very much a documentary style film-you'd expect to see it on Sundance. Robin's Imperial album is the soundtrack, and Leesa touched the ivories as well. Lovely!

For those who haven't gotten it-be SURE to check the bonus material. There's a gazillion extra pictures in there, some I hope they go back to in the next attempt (especially the sanitoriums/psych hospitals).


The movie will be mailed to me by Netflix as soon as I send back "Invasion USA".

[Brittany]

I agree that Leesa's voice is in a high register, but it has a lot of depth and richness to me.

Sweetie, I think everyone's voice is high in register in comparison to mine, so forgive me if that sounded negative. I wouldn't mind a sweet girl's voice at all! I even try to kick mine up a pitch or two on the phone, as the "phone sex" comments can get offensive at times, if not old (especially coming from, just recently, a Sprint customer service rep).

[Musette]

Sweetie, I think everyone's voice is high in register in comparison to mine, so forgive me if that sounded negative. I wouldn't mind a sweet girl's voice at all! I even try to kick mine up a pitch or two on the phone, as the "phone sex" comments can get offensive at times, if not old (especially coming from, just recently, a Sprint customer service rep).

Tell Sprint you're charging by the minute, so they'd better quit the "clever" banter and hurry up with the fucking customer service, huh?

[ArnoldZiffel]

I tried phone sex once. Boy did it hurt!

[Brittany]

He was in the Phillipines (apparently this is where Sprint directs their customer's calls now) and the call ended after he said "maybe I can come to Florida one day to meet you" (this is after telling me I "should have a job on the phone...talking to men..you know what I mean?") and I replied to the proposed Florida visit with: "are you fucking mad? Do you not have QA in the Phillipines??? Asshole!".

I guess they aren't monitored there...

[ArnoldZiffel]

He was in the Phillipines (apparently this is where Sprint directs their customer's calls now) and the call ended after he said "maybe I can come to Florida one day to meet you" (this is after telling me I "should have a job on the phone...talking to men..you know what I mean?") and I replied to the proposed Florida visit with: "are you fucking mad? Do you not have QA in the Phillipines??? Asshole!".

I guess they aren't monitored there...

He must have been a rarity. Most Filipinos are super-polite. Have you ever read "The Tesseract" by Alex Garland? He wrote it after completing "The Beach". The novel is set in modern day Manilla.

[Brittany]

He must have been a rarity. Most Filipinos are super-polite. Have you ever read "The Tesseract" by Alex Garland? He wrote it after completing "The Beach". The novel is set in modern day Manilla.

I have to Filipino tantes. Trust me, I know. I was just so appalled by THIS guy. I've not read either books, I have seen the latter movie. I can speak a bit of Tagolog and can make a mean lumpia (sp) roll! Does that count?

[andylama]

I have to Filipino tantes...I can speak a bit of Tagolog and can make a mean lumpia roll

Whoa--can't accuse you of being predictable!

[Brittany]

Whoa--can't accuse you of being predictable!

Predictable? Never! ;-)

Keep 'em guessing, that's what I say!

[ArnoldZiffel]

You would really love "The Tesseract". It has some Tagolog in it. It is a little on the arty side. Some critics said it was better than "The Beach".

[Sean_Montgomery]

This is cool... 'Echoes' is featured today on the DVD Talk website, which I read every day for reviews of new discs:

http://dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=21448

[dprid]

Good review. If you haven't got a copy of this DVD then I'd recommend you invest a few of your hard-earned currency units and get a copy. It's well worth it, if only to hear your illustrious web mistress narrate :)

[mmmender]

Good news! This DVD sold out its first 1,000 pressings so a second batch of 1,000 DVD's has just been pressed as is now available for sale again.

http://www.scribblemedia.com

It's now also available for sale through the cocteaufest.com online shop:

http://www.cocteaufest.com/echoesdvd.html

[Fritter]

Congratulations

[ArnoldZiffel]

Good news! This DVD sold out its first 1,000 pressings so a second batch of 1,000 DVD's has just been pressed as is now available for sale again.

http://www.scribblemedia.com

It's now also available for sale through the cocteaufest.com online shop:

http://www.cocteaufest.com/echoesdvd.html

I rented it from Netflix. It was quite good.

[Thackeray]

How do I get an autographed copy by Leesa Beales?

[dprid]

Good news! This DVD sold out its first 1,000 pressings so a second batch of 1,000 DVD's has just been pressed as is now available for sale again.

http://www.scribblemedia.com

It's now also available for sale through the cocteaufest.com online shop:

http://www.cocteaufest.com/echoesdvd.html
Perfect stocking filler for Christmas :)

[Fritter]

Oh, go on then - all the deserted places we used to scramble around are now million pound flats.

[andylama]

Oh, go on then - all the deserted places we used to scramble around are now million pound flats.
Have you seen/purchased it? It is fascinating. I could kick Henk Van Rensbergen for missing the cut, though.

[Fritter]

I just bought it last night - in your face Santa. Look forward to seeing it.

[postlibyan]

at some point i thought that there was a more general thread on Urban Exploration, but i can't find it.

anyway, i stumbled across this today:
http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/08/11/abandoned-subway-stations-around-the-world-photo-gallery/

fascinating stuff!

PJK

[mmmender]

at some point i thought that there was a more general thread on Urban Exploration, but i can't find it.

anyway, i stumbled across this today:
http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/08/11/abandoned-subway-stations-around-the-world-photo-gallery/

fascinating stuff!

PJK

A great place to check out are the UE Forums and its database........
http://www.uer.ca

Or........

The main section in wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_exploration
(If you scroll down to "documentaries" our film is listed!)


PS: I'll be giving away several copies of the DVD at Fest this year!

[Sean_Montgomery]

PS: I'll be giving away several copies of the DVD at Fest this year!


Sweet. I've still never seen it.

[mmmender]

Sweet. I've still never seen it.
You can check out a clip on the website here:
http://scribblemedia.com/dox_download.html

And, there are also clips on youtube somewhere!

[andylama]

It's a really good documentary (I could still smack Henk Rensbergen for not participating)

I need another copy. I loaned mine to someone and never got it back! I don't even remember who had it.

Lee, still got copies?

[mmmender]

It's a really good documentary (I could still smack Henk Rensbergen for not participating)

I need another copy. I loaned mine to someone and never got it back! I don't even remember who had it.

Lee, still got copies?
Hell, yeah! I think it's in its 5th DVD pressing now.

They're also for sale all over the 'net......amazon, hmv, etc.........but don't worry I'll bring copies to fest with me.