Is All Hope Lost?

Megathor · Nov-17-11, 4:30 AM

In my late forties now, I've been coming to this forum for quite some time. I even remember the early days of CT on the web (wasn't there a chatroom?)
But something tells me it's finally time to move on. Not sure why I even come here anymore. I guess there's still a part of me that wants to log in and see an announcement from the band that they're getting back together for one last gasp (it was here that I learned of their Coachella reunion and godamn was I ever excited!........and, eventually, godamn disappointed).

Running a record label sure as hell can't be profitable in the 21st century, can it? And Robin's output and touring, as great as it may be, can't go on forever. And Liz, no idea what she does for income, but since no one pays for music anymore I'm sure it doesn't come from royalties.

I know this band was never in it for the money, but I'm holding out hope that the next time they're offered $£$£$£ to play a festival they'll take it. Just wanna see them play one more time......

...but maybe it's time to move on......

randomrob · Nov-17-11, 7:36 AM

I come here for the community of people, not for CT.

gustav · Nov-17-11, 9:19 AM

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Originally Posted by randomrob

I come here for the community of people, not for CT.

Quisquose · Nov-17-11, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by randomrob

I come here for the community of people, not for CT.

Yep, me too.

Megathor, it looks like you don't post much, so I assume you're mainly interested in the CT-related news, which gets more and more sparse with each passing year (save perhaps for Robin's consistent solo output). In that case I can understand why you would give up on the forum, but a lot of us get a lot of pleasure and camaraderie from the community that's left. It just doesn't have a lot to do with Cocteau Twins anymore.

To be blunt, yes, all hope is lost of CT ever reuniting. For that matter, I think it's highly unlikely Liz Fraser will ever get serious about putting out any solo material. These are things I realized and came to terms with gradually over the last 14 years. I'm not sad about it anymore, it just is what it is.

Ghosty · Nov-17-11, 12:33 PM

Ditto to the above.

Plus, I hope they don't ever get back together. it could only ruin the memory.

Megathor · Nov-17-11, 3:29 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to direct that at the community-at-large. I just meant that I question why I come here looking for CT news.

Seriously though, it must be frightening to have your royalties dry up. And I'm not just talking about CT. All these "older bands" who were once sitting pretty are getting worried. Now to make money you have to go out and tour??? You're not 22 anymore - it's not so easy. That Coachella offer was supposed to be a couple million, right? If they ever have another similar offer (and that's a BIG if), can they afford to pass it up? I think not and that's the one bit of hope I have left of seeing the band I've been a fan of for nearly thirty years make their magic one last time.

randomrob · Nov-17-11, 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Quisquose

For that matter, I think it's highly unlikely Liz Fraser will ever get serious about

-leaving the house

davespear · Nov-17-11, 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Megathor

Sorry, I didn't mean to direct that at the community-at-large. I just meant that I question why I come here looking for CT news.

Seriously though, it must be frightening to have your royalties dry up. And I'm not just talking about CT. All these "older bands" who were once sitting pretty are getting worried. Now to make money you have to go out and tour??? You're not 22 anymore - it's not so easy. That Coachella offer was supposed to be a couple million, right? If they ever have another similar offer (and that's a BIG if), can they afford to pass it up? I think not and that's the one bit of hope I have left of seeing the band I've been a fan of for nearly thirty years make their magic one last time.

good post, but we can all live in hope can't we?

Tinspur · Nov-18-11, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Megathor

That Coachella offer was supposed to be a couple million, right? If they ever have another similar offer (and that's a BIG if), can they afford to pass it up? I think not and that's the one bit of hope I have left of seeing the band I've been a fan of for nearly thirty years make their magic one last time.

For the band members, it was never about the money, it was about the music. Sure, it would be nice for them to have a few extra bucks in their pocket, maybe for new equipment or touring, etc (and in Simon's case, a few extra bucks for Bella Union), but their true aim is making/supporting beautiful music, a sentiment that seems all too rare in this Top 40-driven money machine they call music now...it's one of the reasons I respect them so much, it's refreshing actually.

Dpressed · Nov-18-11, 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by davespear

good post, but we can all live in hope can't we?

If you want to live in Hope. move to the Derbyshire Peak District

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope,_Derbyshire

& if you want look on the Brightside, move to north Sheffield

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brights...outh_Yorkshire

davespear · Nov-19-11, 4:33 AM

Well Hope certainly looks appealing

but Brightside's a bit too industrious for me

When I was a kid, we went camping a lot, and I remember a few odd place names:
a village called 'once brewed' in Nothumberland, and somewhere on the Yorshire moors, a place called 'Blubberhouses'

I definitely would not like to live in 'Shitterton'

Tafkap · Nov-19-11, 7:16 AM

I agree that it's sad to think we'll not see or hear from the band again, but then again..the way that Liz sings is very intense and maybe the vocal chords aren't quite what they used to be, or at least an octave or two lower!

In that respect I'd rather not see her struggle on stage to reach particular notes or remember phrasing.

I reckon the only way she'll go on stage again is with Massive Attack, and it's ironic that despite all her years with Cocteau Twins, it'll be her work with them that she'll be remembered for by most people.

Absolutely no-one I speak to has heard of Cocteau Twins, so this site is a beacon of solidarity, proving that I'm not nuts to follow them still after all this time.. Or maybe we're all nuts. lol.

winters · Nov-19-11, 10:29 AM

Nicely put, Tafkap

randomrob · Nov-19-11, 4:21 PM

we get to own our memories, that is the joy of experience... to want someone to recreate what they made in their 20s? It's not right. The joy of this place is being connected with those highly unusual different people who loved a music that 9 out of 10 people thought was too weird for them. Come to the forums and celebrate a fellowship of good taste, and enjoy the music- it's not going anywhere.

But for wishing against hope for a reunion?

agcu418 · Nov-20-11, 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tafkap

I agree that it's sad to think we'll not see or hear from the band again, but then again..the way that Liz sings is very intense and maybe the vocal chords aren't quite what they used to be, or at least an octave or two lower!

In that respect I'd rather not see her struggle on stage to reach particular notes or remember phrasing.

I reckon the only way she'll go on stage again is with Massive Attack, and it's ironic that despite all her years with Cocteau Twins, it'll be her work with them that she'll be remembered for by most people.

Absolutely no-one I speak to has heard of Cocteau Twins, so this site is a beacon of solidarity, proving that I'm not nuts to follow them still after all this time.. Or maybe we're all nuts. lol.

Tafkap - just listen to Kate Bush's new album and you will hear how good a voice register an octave or two lower can be

dprid · Nov-25-11, 5:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Megathor

Seriously though, it must be frightening to have your royalties dry up. And I'm not just talking about CT. All these "older bands" who were once sitting pretty are getting worried. Now to make money you have to go out and tour??? You're not 22 anymore - it's not so easy. That Coachella offer was supposed to be a couple million, right? If they ever have another similar offer (and that's a BIG if), can they afford to pass it up? I think not and that's the one bit of hope I have left of seeing the band I've been a fan of for nearly thirty years make their magic one last time.

If you believe Simon & Robin their contract with 4AD means they barely got any royalties anyway. You'll see constant references in what they write to the fact they have absolutely no rights to their own music.

randomrob · Nov-25-11, 9:54 AM

yah.. "Cocteau Twins" is an IP of 4AD.

garp · Nov-25-11, 10:28 PM

I don't think we need to hear from Robin on the amount of money they don't get. I trust from many earlier posts from him that this is not a point of conjecture. As for CT, that was then, the now is an entirely different and an interesting thing.

People and their work/ art change over time, so it is with us all. Living in the past isn't growing, it's just the past.

Megathor · Jan-10-12, 11:29 PM

Who's gonna break the news to WIRED?

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/...29%29&pid=6011

fredofla · Jan-11-12, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Megathor

Who's gonna break the news to WIRED?

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/...29%29&pid=6011

oh this is just lovely....

i say we send rRob now that he's officially studying public speaking.

Nov-17-11, 4:30 AM	#1
Megathor Forum Still A Baby Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 42 Rep Power: 9	Is All Hope Lost? In my late forties now, I've been coming to this forum for quite some time. I even remember the early days of CT on the web (wasn't there a chatroom?) But something tells me it's finally time to move on. Not sure why I even come here anymore. I guess there's still a part of me that wants to log in and see an announcement from the band that they're getting back together for one last gasp (it was here that I learned of their Coachella reunion and godamn was I ever excited!........and, eventually, godamn disappointed). Running a record label sure as hell can't be profitable in the 21st century, can it? And Robin's output and touring, as great as it may be, can't go on forever. And Liz, no idea what she does for income, but since no one pays for music anymore I'm sure it doesn't come from royalties. I know this band was never in it for the money, but I'm holding out hope that the next time they're offered $£$£$£ to play a festival they'll take it. Just wanna see them play one more time...... ...but maybe it's time to move on......

Nov-19-11, 4:33 AM	#11
davespear Lazy Calm & Cool Cocteau Twins forever in my heart Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 49 Posts: 4,236 Rep Power: 15	Well Hope certainly looks appealing but Brightside's a bit too industrious for me When I was a kid, we went camping a lot, and I remember a few odd place names: a village called 'once brewed' in Nothumberland, and somewhere on the Yorshire moors, a place called 'Blubberhouses' I definitely would not like to live in 'Shitterton' __________________ I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you, half as well as you deserve

Nov-25-11, 10:28 PM	#18
garp Lazy Calm & Cool Join Date: May 2006 Age: 45 Posts: 4,778 Rep Power: 17	I don't think we need to hear from Robin on the amount of money they don't get. I trust from many earlier posts from him that this is not a point of conjecture. As for CT, that was then, the now is an entirely different and an interesting thing. People and their work/ art change over time, so it is with us all. Living in the past isn't growing, it's just the past. __________________ __________________ ...sorry I'm late, but my alarm died in a cock fight last night. Last edited by garp; Nov-25-11 at 10:29 PM.

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Nov-17-11, 7:36 AM	#2
randomrob Summerhead Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 28,714 Rep Power: 68	I come here for the community of people, not for CT.

Nov-17-11, 12:33 PM	#5
Ghosty Itchy Glowbo Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 45 Posts: 8,665 Rep Power: 27	Ditto to the above. Plus, I hope they don't ever get back together. it could only ruin the memory.

Nov-17-11, 3:29 PM	#6
Megathor Forum Still A Baby Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 42 Rep Power: 9	Sorry, I didn't mean to direct that at the community-at-large. I just meant that I question why I come here looking for CT news. Seriously though, it must be frightening to have your royalties dry up. And I'm not just talking about CT. All these "older bands" who were once sitting pretty are getting worried. Now to make money you have to go out and tour??? You're not 22 anymore - it's not so easy. That Coachella offer was supposed to be a couple million, right? If they ever have another similar offer (and that's a BIG if), can they afford to pass it up? I think not and that's the one bit of hope I have left of seeing the band I've been a fan of for nearly thirty years make their magic one last time.

Nov-19-11, 7:16 AM	#12
Tafkap Forum Still A Baby Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 8	I agree that it's sad to think we'll not see or hear from the band again, but then again..the way that Liz sings is very intense and maybe the vocal chords aren't quite what they used to be, or at least an octave or two lower! In that respect I'd rather not see her struggle on stage to reach particular notes or remember phrasing. I reckon the only way she'll go on stage again is with Massive Attack, and it's ironic that despite all her years with Cocteau Twins, it'll be her work with them that she'll be remembered for by most people. Absolutely no-one I speak to has heard of Cocteau Twins, so this site is a beacon of solidarity, proving that I'm not nuts to follow them still after all this time.. Or maybe we're all nuts. lol.

Nov-19-11, 10:29 AM	#13
winters Lazy Calm & Cool Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,088 Rep Power: 13	Nicely put, Tafkap

Nov-19-11, 4:21 PM	#14
randomrob Summerhead Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 28,714 Rep Power: 68	we get to own our memories, that is the joy of experience... to want someone to recreate what they made in their 20s? It's not right. The joy of this place is being connected with those highly unusual different people who loved a music that 9 out of 10 people thought was too weird for them. Come to the forums and celebrate a fellowship of good taste, and enjoy the music- it's not going anywhere. But for wishing against hope for a reunion?

Nov-25-11, 9:54 AM	#17
randomrob Summerhead Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 28,714 Rep Power: 68	yah.. "Cocteau Twins" is an IP of 4AD.

Jan-10-12, 11:29 PM	#19
Megathor Forum Still A Baby Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 42 Rep Power: 9	Who's gonna break the news to WIRED? http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/...29%29&pid=6011

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